#77094On Wednesday, January 30, 2008Guest (not verified) said,
In response to post"68649", and to all others who would try to make the claim that second hand smoke is such a danger to all who come in contact with it, I would humbly suggest that you drop the pre-conceived notions, and dig into the facts of the matter.
As a start, I would suggest that you thoughtfully and honestly consider the claims being made by the anti-smoking lobbyists. Such as the "fact" that 53,000 people die annually in the United States due to second hand smoke.
This is a bald faced lie.
Between 1959 and 1975, the hostilities in Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia claimed the lives of more than 58,000 Americans. Of those 58,000 I can name two that I personally knew and I know of scores of others who can name and knew several more than I did.
And yet, NO ONE that I know can name even one person who has died from second hand smoke. Sixteen years of open hostility yielded 58,000 victims and I can name some, but miraculously, no one can name one of the 53,000 who are supposedly dying EVERY YEAR from second hand smoke. Don't you find that odd?
And if you want to make the claim that YOU can name someone, I'd like for you to provide a verifiable name, and a legitimate death certificate showing that the primary cause of death was due to E.T.S.(second hand smoke).
Until then, I'd suggest you take a look at the following websites, and at least honestly consider the information being presented there.
forces.org
davehitt.com
junkscience.com
As far as being one of the "uneducated masses" who are duped by "big tobacco", I offer this: I had the curriculum changed at a major research university (North Dakota State University) due to my own research into the blatant lies and disingenuous use of the "findings" of the metadata "research studies" as conducted by the World Health Organization (WHO) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA).
If you're still believing the media and the pseudo scientific "evidence" being bandied about on this subject, you've unfortunately been duped by the media and by pseudo science.
This is called social engineering, and it has nothing to do with reputable science.
Before you wholeheartedly believe what Katie Couric and others report on the news or the Today Show, it might be in your best interests to check the actual facts for yourself.
The onus is not on me to prove that second hand smoke isn't dangerous, the onus rests upon those who claim that it is. And, their findings have to be consistent with the rigors of the scientific method: Observable, testable, repeatable, and consistent with the findings of other scientists conducting the exact, same experiments. Within these strictures, the second hand smoke (E.T.S.) arguments fail the test of true, legitimate science.
As for your claim that your tax dollars are paying for smokers in any way, you again are mistaken.
But, the tax dollars of smokers are what are keeping your roads paved, and your public schools in operation.
And by the way, before throwing out ad hominem attacks such as "If you ask me, it is only people with lower intelligence who start smoking in the first place. The even dumber ones get addicted. The really, really dumb ones die of lung cancer.", your time might be better spent getting your education and your facts in order.
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In response to post"68649",
In response to post"68649", and to all others who would try to make the claim that second hand smoke is such a danger to all who come in contact with it, I would humbly suggest that you drop the pre-conceived notions, and dig into the facts of the matter.
As a start, I would suggest that you thoughtfully and honestly consider the claims being made by the anti-smoking lobbyists. Such as the "fact" that 53,000 people die annually in the United States due to second hand smoke.
This is a bald faced lie.
Between 1959 and 1975, the hostilities in Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia claimed the lives of more than 58,000 Americans. Of those 58,000 I can name two that I personally knew and I know of scores of others who can name and knew several more than I did.
And yet, NO ONE that I know can name even one person who has died from second hand smoke. Sixteen years of open hostility yielded 58,000 victims and I can name some, but miraculously, no one can name one of the 53,000 who are supposedly dying EVERY YEAR from second hand smoke. Don't you find that odd?
And if you want to make the claim that YOU can name someone, I'd like for you to provide a verifiable name, and a legitimate death certificate showing that the primary cause of death was due to E.T.S.(second hand smoke).
Until then, I'd suggest you take a look at the following websites, and at least honestly consider the information being presented there.
forces.org
davehitt.com
junkscience.com
As far as being one of the "uneducated masses" who are duped by "big tobacco", I offer this: I had the curriculum changed at a major research university (North Dakota State University) due to my own research into the blatant lies and disingenuous use of the "findings" of the metadata "research studies" as conducted by the World Health Organization (WHO) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA).
If you're still believing the media and the pseudo scientific "evidence" being bandied about on this subject, you've unfortunately been duped by the media and by pseudo science.
This is called social engineering, and it has nothing to do with reputable science.
Before you wholeheartedly believe what Katie Couric and others report on the news or the Today Show, it might be in your best interests to check the actual facts for yourself.
The onus is not on me to prove that second hand smoke isn't dangerous, the onus rests upon those who claim that it is. And, their findings have to be consistent with the rigors of the scientific method: Observable, testable, repeatable, and consistent with the findings of other scientists conducting the exact, same experiments. Within these strictures, the second hand smoke (E.T.S.) arguments fail the test of true, legitimate science.
As for your claim that your tax dollars are paying for smokers in any way, you again are mistaken.
But, the tax dollars of smokers are what are keeping your roads paved, and your public schools in operation.
And by the way, before throwing out ad hominem attacks such as "If you ask me, it is only people with lower intelligence who start smoking in the first place. The even dumber ones get addicted. The really, really dumb ones die of lung cancer.", your time might be better spent getting your education and your facts in order.
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