Second Hand Smoke in Your Apartment

Monday, December 04, 2006

Second-hand smoke (also called environmental tobacco smoke or ETS) is a health risk for everyone, and particularly for children (who become very susceptible to developing asthma or respiratory infections when exposed to smoke) and the elderly. It’s within your power to quit smoking if you’re a smoker, choose to live with only non-smokers, and ask your guests to smoke outside if they must. But what if your neighbors are smokers? Even if they smoke outside, the smoke might migrate into your living space through cracks around doors or windows or in ventilation system, posing a threat to your health. So what rights do you have when it comes to protecting yourself against second-hand smoke? Read on for more information about the dangers of second-hand smoke and the ways you can protect yourself.

Understanding Second-Hand Smoke

Some people argue that second-hand smoke isn’t harmful, or suggest that smoking does much more harm to the smoker than to anyone else. However, research demonstrates that second-hand smoke actually has more tar, nicotine, carbon monoxide, ammonia, and cadmium than the smoke inhaled by smokers. Second-hand smoke also increases the risk of lung disease by 25% and the risk of heart disease by 10%. The estimate of deaths from diseases caused by second-hand smoke each year ranges from 30,000 to 70,000. Smoke unquestionably poses a serious threat to smokers and non-smokers alike.

Sometimes educating smokers about the negative effects their smoke can have on others is enough to change some behaviors—many smokers consider that they’re only harming themselves by smoking, and may be surprised to learn that second-hand smoke really can have dangerous effects. Second-hand smoke is not a concept that was invented to make smokers feel bad—it’s a serious detriment to health.

Talking with Smokers

If you approach your smoker neighbors to talk about the issue, do so with tact. They’ve likely been berated by friends, family members, and total strangers about their smoking in the past, and perhaps have even tried to quit. Taking an aggressive stance will only make the smoker less likely to cooperate with you.

Instead of screaming about the health risks of smoking and calling the smoker a murderer, simply express your genuine concern about your and your family’s health, and make a specific request for a behavior change. If the smoker is smoking indoors and the smoke is traveling to your apartment through air vents, request that the person smoke outside. If the individual is already smoking outdoors, but the smoke is seeping into your apartment through cracks around windows and doors, suggest moving the smoking location—from the balcony to the front door (or vice versa), if applicable, or ask the smoker to smoke in the courtyard, or a short distance from the door.

Making a specific request that the smoker can either agree to or deny helps the conversation progress, rather than reaching a stalemate. Come prepared with additional suggestions in case your neighbor doesn’t go for your first priority. You should also be ready to tell the smoker about other ways you might try to deal with the issue, including requesting that your apartment’s maintenance department install better air filters, seal any cracks that may be letting in smoke, improve the weather-stripping around doors and windows, and take other actions that my help out.

If the situation is dire and your neighbor is truly uncooperative, you may be able to sue your neighbor for damages. This is definitely a last resort, and such a step should only be taken after extensive efforts to work with your neighbor and landlord to improve the situation. If you have serious health issues related to smoke inhalation, you maybe protected under the Americans with Disabilities Act, which can help your case. (You should, of course, disclose this information to all parties involved before issuing the lawsuit.)

Talking with Landlords: Suggest a Smoke-Free Living Space

Smoke-free businesses are becoming more popular. Many bars and restaurants have outlawed smoking, much to the relief of people bothered by smoke allergies or concerned about the dangers of second-hand smoke. Businesses often see a rise in sales following their decision to go smoke-free.

Share this information with your landlord, and suggest making the apartment a smoke-free space. It’s likely to be nothing but a benefit to your landlord and the tenants, except for perhaps some die-hard smokers. A smoke-free guarantee makes the property more attractive to potential tenants and significantly reduces maintenance costs for the landlord—no more ripping up and replacing smoke-tainted carpets or cleaning and painting walls saturated with smoke. If your landlord doesn’t want to go completely smoke-free, perhaps making one of the buildings or floors (it may be best to choose the first floor, as smoke from lower floors tends to rise up and disturb people above) on the property smoke-free would be a good option for everyone involved.

The transition doesn’t have to be instant—that is, current tenants don’t have to be forced to stop smoking. Simply introduce a no-smoking clause into new leases. Eventually the complex will be smoke-free.

When Smoke-Free Isn’t an Option

If the concept of a smoke-free property isn’t appealing to your landlord, try to get repairs or improvements made that will increase your healthful enjoyment of your living space. Possible repairs include improved air filtration systems, better weather-stripping for doors and windows, and repair of cracks in walls, windows, doors, or filtration systems. Most landlords should be reasonably accommodating of such requests. If applicable, you may want to provide a note from your doctor documenting any health conditions you have that may be aggravated by the second-hand smoke, or any deterioration in your health that may have occurred due to second-hand smoke.

If your landlord is resistant to the idea of helping you improve your living conditions, and the smoke is a serious concern for you, it may be possible to break your lease and move to a smoke-free environment. You are legally entitled to a healthful living space, and second-hand smoke may pose a legitimate threat to your health. You’ll of course need to document your attempts to resolve the issue by sending certified letters to apartment management. If no efforts have been made after a reasonable amount of time, it may be necessary to start procedures for breaking your lease.

With a little effort, you may be able to resolve a smoking issue with ease. If that’s not possible, you can investigate the possibility of getting out of a housing situation where second-hand smoke poses a real danger. Investigate all the possibilities, and then take the best action for your situation.

My neighbors chain smoke

#79986 On Tuesday, June 24, 2008 Guest (not verified) said,

My neighbors chain smoke cigsrettes, cigars and some kind of rancid chemical smelling odor permieates the air almost every day and all night long.
We get next to no sleep,
We have pucked, we get dry heaves,have buring breathing, our belonnings and bedding stink now of rancid smoking odors.
We have talked to the management, and they say that there is nothing they can do for they have called our surrounding neighbors, and everyone says that they do not smoke.
As soon as we have the money, we are now going to just leave this building and move despite a newly signed lease.
Screw the rent... we now need money to get the hell outta here!!
If any person whom smokes thinks that it is not bad for others to breathe, you are dead wrong!!!
My father died from smoking,it caused such terrible coughing spells, my uncle died from smoking, and when I was a kid and my father smoked in our apartment, and I used to get such ear infections and headaches.
It is only one of the worst things you could do to yourself and others around you.
I wish it was banned from multi-unit buildings!
I wish they would just make it illegal!!!!
We are so miserable now living here...
It is ruining our life!

My neighbors chain smoke

#79983 On Tuesday, June 24, 2008 Guest (not verified) said,

My neighbors chain smoke cigsrettes, cigars and some kind of rancid chemical smelling odor permieates the air almost every day and all night long.
We get next to no sleep,
We have pucked, we get dry heaves,have buring breathing, our belonnings and bedding stink now of rancid smoking odors.
We have talked to the management, and they say that there is nothing they can do for they have called our surrounding neighbors, and everyone says that they do not smoke.
As soon as we have the money, we are now going to just leave this building and move despite a newly signed lease.
Screw the rent... we now need money to get the hell outta here!!
If any person whom smokes thinks that it is not bad for others to breathe, you are dead wrong!!!
My father died from smoking,it caused such terrible coughing spells, my uncle died from smoking, and when I was a kid and my father smoked in our apartment, and I used to get such ear infections and headaches.
It is only one of the worst things you could do to yourself and others around you.
I wish it was banned from multi-unit buildings!
I wish they would just make it illegal!!!!
We are so miserable now living here...
It is ruining our life!

This is something I

#79496 On Wednesday, June 04, 2008 Guest (not verified) said,

This is something I absolutely HATE! I live in an apartment with my 9 week old baby girl and the people underneath us, and two apartments directly next to us, all smoke! I can never leave my windows open and the rare cases I do open them I have to constantly be on the lookout for one of the neighbors on a smoke break. What's worse is that sometimes the smoke even comes in through the door seal. I'm constantly smelling it and worrying about the health of my baby. And what really upsets me is all these people know we have a small baby living here and nothing has changed--the girl directly next door has said she would smoke away from the apartment seeing as how she's only a door away but at all hours of the day AND night she still continues to smoke outside her door. How rude is this? I find it so very inconsiderate that people don't have the common sense and decency to think for themselves that they may be harming others with their disgusting habits. It would be like me going outside once an hour and spraying pesticide in the air and having it enter THEIR windows and doorways. I see no difference. I agree that smoking should be forbidden in apartment complex because of the close living quarters to other people who want to keep their health intact!!!

Yes, smokers are losing

#79386 On Wednesday, May 28, 2008 Guest (not verified) said,

Yes, smokers are losing their rights to smoke almost everywhere, except the most important place to non-smokers. Around their homes. I would much rather you smoke in some bar with a bunch of other smokers then smoke in the apartment underneath me. If you're smoking in a public place, I can just leave. An apartment is completely different. I moved from my last apartment and one of the reasons was the cigarette smoke that was always lingering there, and guess what? I have the SAME problem in my new place. Cigarettes need to be banned altogether. I guarantee, if cigarettes didn't bring in so much money to the government, they would be banned.

Im sorry to hear all these

#79048 On Tuesday, May 06, 2008 Guest (not verified) said,

Im sorry to hear all these stories about being exposed to second hand smoke.

I too live in an apt with a smoker directly under me..I complained to him and the apt manager. The apt manager suggested I move into another apt. Ive been living here for almost 20 years..the smokeing tenant, less than 5. Guess what? the apt manager smokes too. SMOKERS ARE ADDICTS, AND THEY DONT CARE.

Some of my neighbors are getting the smell of the smoke as wel. It reaches all over the building. I found cracks and electical outlets were letting the smoke in..I taped, glued, wrapped duct tape around exposed electrical cable wires. The smoke seeps in any any..but its not as bad as before..My oreck air filter goes 24-7.

I discovered using the best air purifier possible. Start using eucalyptus essential oil, lavender or rose mary..Those herbal oils helps clean the air. I did a little research on this. Dont use aresol sprays..that's almost as worse as the second hand smoke.

I live in Los Angeles. I complained about it. They accually said their is nothing in place to help with the sencond hand smoke in inside living spaces. So backward. It makes sense that they pass a no smoking ordinace in public places but yet allow the same smokers to come home and blow around their toxic stinky air and annoy home life.

What bugs me is my apartment

#78697 On Wednesday, April 23, 2008 Guest (not verified) said,

What bugs me is my apartment manager made me sign a special addendum to my lease promising that I'd keep my cat's litter box clean to keep the place "healthy and odor free." When I complained about all my new neighbors' secondhand smoke (just as or more unhealthy and smelly as the litter box) coming into my apartment and affecting my breathing,she said, "We can't regulate what people do in their own apartments." She wouldn't even consider "smoke-proofing" measures.

My lease is up in three months and I'm outta here. They're losing a tenant who's always had her rent paid on time and will be leaving my apartment in better condition than when I moved in. Believe me,they're going to know why I'm moving! The only way we're going to avoid secondhand smoke in apartments is to get more people to protest.

Smokers should just take a

#78613 On Thursday, April 17, 2008 Guest (not verified) said,

Smokers should just take a short-cut and blow their brains out, since their attempt at a slow suicide is just making no-smokers fairly suffer along the way.

As a former smoker, I agree

#78358 On Tuesday, April 01, 2008 Guest (not verified) said,

As a former smoker, I agree with everyone who talks about it being stinky, stinky, stinky. And it sucks! Well, the only time I like the smell is when I am very tired from not getting enough sleep--then I am reminded of the pick-me-up I got from those terrible things. I was a teenager with low self esteem and that's partly why I started at age 13 (quit at age 24 and never looked back). You can't argue with nasty, stinky, and horrible. However, I agree to some extent, that I should have remembered about living in a complex of any kind (and even close living neighbors) that smoke is usually there. I also don't eat red meat and yet find myself living with meat eaters. So I take responsibility for moving in with them. I guess maybe I should move to Belmont, CA (a mere 45-50 miles away) to live in a smoke free apartment or townhouse complex. The only other thing is to live in a smoke free house away from other housing, period. Good luck to everyone in getting away from that nasty cigarette smoke and help your children to never pick one up in the first place!

In response to #77819. You

#78093 On Wednesday, March 12, 2008 Guest (not verified) said,

In response to #77819. You need to lighten up. You read too much into the things that people say. I am sympathetic with both sides of the issue. I do not wish to see smoking banned, however cigarette smoke is bothersome to some people. I think that both sides could be a bit more considerate to one another. Whether there is scientific evience or not about the effects of second hand smoke is not the issue. Non smokers should respect someone's choice to smoke and vise versa. Oh, and your scenario was a bit lame. I mean no offense, but please. Is that the best you could come up with? Obviously you smoke and are grasping at straws.

SECOND HAND SMOKE (AND

#77096 On Wednesday, January 30, 2008 Guest (not verified) said,

SECOND HAND SMOKE (AND MIRRORS)
I am posting this twice in the hopes that it will get a fair hearing and will be posted despite the fact that it isn't politically or socially "correct" to defend the rights of those who smoke.

In response to post"68649", and to all others who would try to make the claim that second hand smoke is such a danger to all who come in contact with it, I would humbly suggest that you drop the pre-conceived notions, and dig into the facts of the matter.
As a start, I would suggest that you thoughtfully and honestly consider the claims being made by the anti-smoking lobbyists. Such as the "fact" that 53,000 people die annually in the United States due to second hand smoke.
This is a bald faced lie.
Between 1959 and 1975, the hostilities in Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia claimed the lives of more than 58,000 Americans. Of those 58,000 I can name two that I personally knew and I know of scores of others who can name and knew several more than I did.
And yet, NO ONE that I know can name even one person who has died from second hand smoke. Sixteen years of open hostility yielded 58,000 victims and I can name some, but miraculously, no one can name one of the 53,000 who are supposedly dying EVERY YEAR from second hand smoke. Don't you find that odd?
And if you want to make the claim that YOU can name someone, I'd like for you to provide a verifiable name, and a legitimate death certificate showing that the primary cause of death was due to E.T.S.(second hand smoke).
Until then, I'd suggest you take a look at the following websites, and at least honestly consider the information being presented there.
forces.org
davehitt.com
junkscience.com
As far as being one of the "uneducated masses" who are duped by "big tobacco", I offer this: I had the curriculum changed at a major research university (North Dakota State University) due to my own research into the blatant lies and disingenuous use of the "findings" of the metadata "research studies" as conducted by the World Health Organization (WHO) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA).
If you're still believing the media and the pseudo scientific "evidence" being bandied about on this subject, you've unfortunately been duped by the media and by pseudo science.
This is called social engineering, and it has nothing to do with reputable science.
Before you wholeheartedly believe what Katie Couric and others report on the news or the Today Show, it might be in your best interests to check the actual facts for yourself.
The onus is not on me to prove that second hand smoke isn't dangerous, the onus rests upon those who claim that it is. And, their findings have to be consistent with the rigors of the scientific method: Observable, testable, repeatable, and consistent with the findings of other scientists conducting the exact, same experiments. Within these strictures, the second hand smoke (E.T. S.) arguments fail the test of true, legitimate science.
As for your claim that your tax dollars are paying for smokers in any way, you again are mistaken.
But, the tax dollars of smokers are what are keeping your roads paved, and your public schools in operation.
And by the way, before throwing out ad hominem attacks such as "If you ask me, it is only people with lower intelligence who start smoking in the first place. The even dumber ones get addicted. The really, really dumb ones die of lung cancer.", your time might be better spent getting your education and your facts in order.

It seems to me you need to

#78576 On Tuesday, April 15, 2008 Guest (not verified) said,

It seems to me you need to get your facts in order, all you have done is present what seems to me to be your own personal opinion, while you speak of facts I have yet to see any. I have seen time and time again babies being born at low birth weights and developing asthma due to the mothers smoking while pregnant and then continuing to smoke around their children after birth. These are friends and family, no fictional characters here. I have had several family members die of cancer from smoking, you cannot say that smoking is good for you, it is a poison, a toxic mixture you put in your body, and while it may be your choice to put it in your body, it is my choice to not, and to not have my children exposed to it. I have read plenty of research on the matter, not to mention spoken with several doctors, and they all concur that smoking is bad for you, and it doesnt take a rocket scientist to then show that second hand smoke is just as bad for you, if not worse because the smoke off the tip of a cigarette is not filtered, unlike the smoke the smoker inhales. It is true that ones genetics play a major role, since one person may smoke all their life and have no problems, and another person do the same and end up with COPD, or lung cancer, but you cannot just look at a person and tell whose genetics will have problems with smoke and whose will not. Therefore you should not smoke around anybody who does not want to be around smoke, because how do you know whether or not that particular person will have health issues from the smoke or not? You cannot assume because you do not have problems, or that people you know do not have problems,that no one does. What about the rest of the world? Surely you do not know that many people? Just because no one you know has issues, how can you say that that means no one does? Where is the logic in that?

I was just wondering if

#76594 On Thursday, January 24, 2008 Guest (not verified) said,

I was just wondering if anyone knew if the smoke that is left on a person's clothes can be harmful. For example, I share an office with two smokers. Our office is right by the back door and as soon as they come back in from smoking they smell so bad I have to leave my office. I can tell that they drag in the smoke. Is this something that is potentially harmful as second hand smoke?

Oh my gosh, yes!!!

#77679 On Wednesday, February 13, 2008 Guest (not verified) said,

Oh my gosh, yes!!!

It's more dangerous than drunk driving, unprotected sex and obesity combined.
More dangerous than falling out of a twenty-seventh floor window to the street below.
More dangerous than methamphetamine.
Why, from what I hear, it's more dangerous than plutonium, uranium, lead, and mercury...
Golly, I even have a friend whose neighbor's uncle's cousin's pet dog said that his mother's sister's best friend's television says that it's more dangerous than being a soldier in Iraq. And that was just last Friday, too!!!

But, let's make this abundantly, overwhelmingly clear: It's NOT more harmful than ignorance, stupidity, hubris and social engineering!

The short answer to this profoundly disturbing and infinitely absurd question is:
NO; it is NOT dangerous at all.

And I challenge ANYONE to show hard, legitimate, scientific evidence that it is dangerous...

Thank you for your

#77808 On Tuesday, February 19, 2008 Guest (not verified) said,

Thank you for your splendidly sarcastic comment. I am a huge fan of sarcasm. However, whether second hand smoke is harmful or not, it sucks!!! It stinks and is extremely gross. Second hand smoke may not cause someone to suffer a life threatening illness, but there are people who have allergies where cigarette smoke makes them physically ill for the moment. I don't have a problem with people smoking. I have a problem with people denying the fact that they smell bad and their world around them smells bad because of it.

Please don't take this reply

#77819 On Wednesday, February 20, 2008 Guest (not verified) said,

Please don't take this reply personally, but I feel compelled to respond as this type of reply is so very indicative of the specious and vapid responses found here...

I've challenged anyone to rebut my argument(s) based on hard science...
And yet, you still insist on appealing to emotion rather than logic, reason, common sense and honest science to back your claims/feelings.
Essentially, your argument still falls into the "It stinks, and I don't like it, so it should be banned and eliminated" category...

You said it yourself in your reply: "However, whether second hand smoke is harmful or not, it sucks!!! It stinks and is extremely gross.". You further go on to say "Second hand smoke may not cause someone to suffer a life threatening illness, but there are people who have allergies where cigarette smoke makes them physically ill for the moment.", which is also an appeal to emotion rather than scientific fact.
And further, it's an attempt to change the subject.
Essentially, what you're saying is: "It's not life-threatening harmful, but it is harmful because of allergies".
Again, no scientific evidence presented, just an emotion laden OPINION.
I have yet to find a competent allergist or internist who would be willing to subject a diagnosis of this kind (being "allergic" to cigarette smoke) to rigorous, scientific experimentation and peer reviewed critique. Smoke of any kind is an irritant, but smoke is in itself, not an allergen.
The fact is, no-one can seem to draw any conclusion that exposure to cigarette smoke in-utero or outside the womb is even a contributing factor to increased susceptibility to actual allergens or asthma.
http://pmj.bmj.com/cgi/content/abstract/76/901/694
I'll quote the paper here:
"Maternal smoking is believed to increase asthmatic symptoms but its influence on the development of allergen sensitisation is debatable."
(Let me translate this for you: "We want to make the claim that smoking is hazardous, but we can't find ANY hard evidence to back our claim".)
And further in the "RESULTS" section of the abstract, it goes on to say: "Maternal smoking did not increase allergen sensitisation at age 4 years. No effect of paternal smoking on asthma was observed in the children."
Re-read that; "did NOT increase allergen sensitisation", and "NO EFFECT of paternal smoking on asthma was observed in the children.".
Well, go figure...

Then you try misdirection, obfuscation, and changing the subject again with "I don't have a problem with people smoking. I have a problem with people denying the fact that they smell bad and their world around them smells bad because of it."
I've not seen any post here claiming that smoking smells good.
And obviously, you DO INDEED have issues with smoking and smokers; otherwise you wouldn't be reading this page or responding at all. Only those with a vested stake in the issue (or a deep and abiding love for the truth) will bother to take the time to comment.

The ultimate issue of importance is that a "class" of people are being subjected to having their rights slowly and systematically stripped from them based on the false argument that "second-hand" or E.T.S. smoke is harmful. I've presented evidence that it is not. I have yet to have anyone rebut what has been presented with any hard science to the contrary.
Instead, I keep getting the same type of response: "I don't like it, so therefore, smokers must change."

Allow me to posit a scenario that might further elucidate the issue(s) at hand:

What if all of the vegans/vegetarians of the United States banded together and then decided to lobby Congress, fund dubious "scientific studies", and come to the conclusion that the smoke and fumes from cooking beef "posed a threat to public health", and then, as a consequence of this fraud, the beef consumers had to do their beef cooking and consuming outdoors, while simultaneously feeling as if they were a pariah and a blight to society for doing so?
Then, what if the beef consumers found out that the reason that they were forced outside was based on a LIE?

Sarcasm and a dose of justified vitriol over the situation might well be expected.

Just a little something to keep in mind:
Be careful of the rights you decide to trample upon; your rights might be next on the list...

While I know you cannot stop

#74079 On Wednesday, October 24, 2007 Guest (not verified) said,

While I know you cannot stop a smoker from smoking, it really sucks that my family is harmed from it. I am an asthmatic ans I am nine months pregnant so I cannot take any medication for an attack. My neighbors smoke in the hallway next to my apartment so much that I have been hospitalized twice. The management does nothing but say, "as long as it is not in the apartment we don't care" only because MY apartment is the one smelling of smoke. I come home to open my front door and it is literally cloudy from the nastiness. You should really do more research on an apartment on small items like this before renting. I have learned my lesson and possibly at the risk of my child

It majorly sucks for me too

#75164 On Saturday, November 24, 2007 Guest (not verified) said,

It majorly sucks for me too I moved into this building in July 07 (there are 2 apartments per building) and specified that if we get a new person leasing above that I needed it to be a non-smoker as even the maintenance guys smoking outside infront of my a/c caused me to nearly pass out I couldn't breathe and instantly felt like I had to throw up.
The leasing office said yes to this.
So last week a family moved in above us and now there is cig smoke coming in from all the vents I went to them and asked them to please smoke outside - they say no one smokes cept their elderly mother who does smoke only outside........well aparantly not as it comes in all day, I have been so sick the past 3 days I have not been able to function I can't breathe right and have been throwing up almost all day. With the holiday I have not yet been able to speak with the landlord but I am dying here and I don't understand why they would do this to me when there are tons of units open. I just know I can't afford to be in the hospital cause of second-hand smoke.

Could there possibly be any

#78010 On Tuesday, March 04, 2008 Guest (not verified) said,

Could there possibly be any other source of your discomfort?

How is it that people can actually smoke, and they're not effected this way, yet others claim that they "nearly pass out", they "can't breathe", and "instantly feel like they have to throw up"?
Could this be hysteria, hypochondria, and/or psychosomatic?

Any medical doctor care to weigh in on these claims?

As a psychology major, I'm totally fascinated by the claims made here...

Yes, the apartment I live in

#74118 On Friday, October 26, 2007 Guest (not verified) said,

Yes, the apartment I live in is riddled with smoking neighbors too. While I can understand their addiction it seems that my health is worsening. I got a respiratory infection and breathing hurt for a while. My nose itches, mouth is dry and I have to constantly use rewetting eye drops. In the summer we tried to get fresh air, but secondhand smoke came through the windows everytime we left them open. Now its winter and my downstairs neighborlady stays in 24-7 and smokes. When I come home I smell smoke coming from everywhere! Its not just her. But she's so reclusive that I never see her to say anything to her. I live in a 70 apartment/townhome style complex. Both the Managers smoke, so I don't see how I'm going to get any relief other than getting an air filter till we can move. (it comes in through the bathrooms) Any suggestions? Now people tell me that no matter what, even if I own a home I'm never going to get away from secondhand smokers. This is very upsetting since my father died from lung cancer. I'm trying to get away from smoke. I live in Oregon and I voted for measure 50. If the smokers want to smoke, they should pay extra for it. I want to make it so hard that they all decide its not worth it!!!

I also live in Oregon and

#75862 On Thursday, December 20, 2007 Guest (not verified) said,

I also live in Oregon and have health issues, and am currently breathing in my upstairs neighbor's disgusting second hand smoke. I called the manager over a week ago to ask them if they could do something, and have not heard back. I have been feeling very nauseated and have flu like symptoms.. I plan on sending the property management a certified letter, explaining that my health is being compromised, that they have not taken any action since I first alerted them, and if no response, then another certified letter to them with documentation from my doctor. I really don't want to move out of here, it's real nice, so I hope they can fix the ventilation. Anyway, good luck to you---don't give up...keep trying!!

There are a couple of towns

#73811 On Thursday, October 04, 2007 Guest (not verified) said,

There are a couple of towns in California thinking about banning smoking in apartments. Here is a poll for what you think: apopularitycontest.com/display_poll.php?ID=6283

I would like that, smoke

#73961 On Tuesday, October 16, 2007 Guest (not verified) said,

I would like that, smoke free apartments,I wish they could do the same in Canada.

It's obvious that the only

#73471 On Wednesday, September 05, 2007 Guest (not verified) said,

It's obvious that the only solution is for landlords to designate non-smoking in the leases. I just moved into an expensive apt., I smoke, and the guy upstairs is complaining. The lease said nothing about no smoking. Now, who moves? My rent monies entitle me to certain rights, why are his more important than mine? I cannot smoke inside or outside. However, I do not wish to subject a non-smoker to my smoke so I don't smoke in my new home. I wish I'd known before I moved in . . .

If the lease (which is a

#77822 On Wednesday, February 20, 2008 Guest (not verified) said,

If the lease (which is a legal and binding agreement), says nothing about not smoking, then it is your neighbor who either has to deal with the smoke, or move out. Unless explicitly stated in the lease, you do have the right to smoke in your unit.
Your concern over the comfort of your neighbor is laudable and commendable, but his comfort should not in any way negate your rights.
Sorry to those who disagree; but this is how it is and how it must be. You are protected by law in this matter. Someone's comfort or discomfort does not put onus or obligation on you to abandon your rights in favor of their comfort.
Appeal to law, not emotion.
And if necessary, hire a competent lawyer and defend your rights vigorously.

That is considerate of you.

#76298 On Saturday, January 12, 2008 Guest (not verified) said,

That is considerate of you. I'd wager your neighbors right not to be subjected to second hand smoke trumps your right to subject both of you to the health risk.

You'd lose that wager. Any

#77823 On Wednesday, February 20, 2008 Guest (not verified) said,

You'd lose that wager.

Any competent lawyer would be able to prove there is no risk to the other tenant, and further, since there is no stipulation in the lease forbidding smoking, smoking is most certainly allowed.

forces.org/evidence/epafraud/files/damn.htm

"The Court is faced with the ugly possibility that EPA adopted a methodology for each chapter, without explanation, based on the outcome sought in that chapter"

To translate: The EPA made up the rules for each of their studies, with the intent of coming up with an outcome in each instance which would support their thesis; which is that "second-hand", or E.T.S. smoke is a danger to public health.

JUDGE OSTEEN'S ORDER

Judge Osteen granted Plaintiff's (the tobacco industry's) motion for partial summary judgement, ordering that Chapter 1 to Chapter 6 and appendices in the EPA's "Respiratory Health Effects of Passive Smoking: Lung Cancer and Other Disorders," (December 1992), be vacated.

According to Black's Law, Fourth Edition, the term "vacated" means:

To annul; to set aside; to cancel or rescind; to render an act void; as, to vacate an entry or record, or a judgement.

In layman's terms, Chapters 1 to 6 and appendices to that 1992 EPA secondhand smoke report no longer exist. Therefore, the following conclusions, as taken verbatim from Chapter 1, page 1, of the report, do not exist, and must be disregarded:

THE EPA STATED:
("1.1 Major Conclusions:")
"Based on the weight of the available scientific evidence, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has concluded that the widespread exposure to environmental tobacco smoke (ETS) presents a serious and substantial public health impact."

THE US FEDERAL COURT RULED: VACATED

THE EPA STATED:
In adults: "ETS is a human lung carcinogen responsible for approximately 3,000 lung cancer deaths annually in the U.S. nonsmokers."

THE US FEDERAL COURT RULED: VACATED

And yet, the media and their misinformed minions keep repeating the lies that second hand smoke is such a scourge and risk to public health.
Do the legwork yourself, people, there is no excuse for being so miserably misinformed.

Objective truth is the TRUTH; whether you agree with it or not...
The laws of physics won't change just because you want them to...

I agree that not all smokers

#73377 On Wednesday, August 29, 2007 Guest (not verified) said,

I agree that not all smokers are rude. However, we just moved into a small apartment complex with 3 units. We live on the bottom floor, there is a family on the top floor, and a couple in a little one bedroom on the side of the building. Neither my husband, or I smoke. However, my WHOLE home reeks of cigarette smoke. This wouldn't bother me so much, but we have 2 small children, one of which has struggled with RSV since he was 4 months old. It is his room that is the worst. Especially at night when the people upstairs are home. We spent good money on an air purifier, but it doesn't help. It doesn't seem quite fair that we have to live like this. We asked before we moved in about people smoking and were told that only the couple that lived in the one bedroom smoked. They only smoke outside, so it's not an issue. I'm just a little (OK, a lot) frustrated because I am trying to do the best I can for my family, and here we are stuck in a smoke infested home, which is not what we want. Any suggestions would be helpful to us! Thanks.

"But what if your neighbors

#73301 On Friday, August 24, 2007 Guest (not verified) said,

"But what if your neighbors are smokers? Even if they smoke outside, the smoke might migrate into your living space through cracks around doors or windows or in ventilation system, posing a threat to your health."

AHAHAHAH this made me laugh SO hard. are you people serious? pathetic. absolutely pathetic.

some reading for you:

www.journaloftheoretics.com/Editorials/Vol-1/e1-4.htm

and just a final note. Lets try not to encourage the creation of a nanny state. I really don't like what is happening to freedom, not only in regards to this topic, but alot of the things i am seeing and hearing recently wreak of old fashioned fascism.

Smokers, Shut Your Dumb

#77843 On Thursday, February 21, 2008 Guest (not verified) said,

Smokers, Shut Your Dumb Mouths!!

Instead of reading the cheap website ramblings of sites like "journal of theoretics" and other nonsense sites with no scientific evidence to refute the overwhelming documented evidence of the ill effects of smoking (as cited by the AHA, ALA, CDC and ACC), check with the organizations I just mentioned to get a clearer, more accurate picture.

For starters: http://americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=4545

And again, the ad hominem

#77971 On Sunday, March 02, 2008 Guest (not verified) said,

And again, the ad hominem attack...
Shut my dumb mouth?
Tsk, tsk, such anger, such vitriol...

It's obvious that you haven't read any of the pages I’ve referred to which contain volumes of documentation at the sites which you refer to as "nonsense". Sites which do in fact, offer cited, sourced, peer reviewed, scientific evidence.

However, I did read the page you provided with all of the American Heart Association's unsubstantiated claims.

So, you believe the AHA is a non profit entity, with only our health and best interests at heart?
Why then, is the United States Senate interested in investigating the ties between the AHA and the pharmaceutical industry?
Check this out this document if you don't believe me:
http://www.senate.gov/~finance/press/Gpress/2008/prg012408a.pdf
Or, if you’d prefer, here’s the html (from Google) version for you:
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:I_vr0mr76yAJ:www.senate.gov/~finance/press/Gpress/2008/prg012408a.pdf+www.senate.gov/~finance/press/Gpress/2008/prg012408a.pdf&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

This is the same pharmaceutical industry that offers "nicotine replacement" therapies at great cost to consumers that simply don't work…
But please, don't take my word on it, check out this link; it's from a medical doctor and a philosophical doctor (Ph.D.) offering a well sourced rebuttal to the efficacy of nicotine replacement to the New England Journal of Medicine:
http://www.data-yard.net/3/patc1.htm
(This was published in The New England Journal of Medicine -- October 7, 1999 -- Vol. 341, No. 15)

Now, allow me to quote the page from the AHA you referenced:

QUOTE:
"Cigarette smoking is the most important preventable cause of premature death in the United States. It accounts for nearly 440,000 of the more than 2.4 million annual deaths."

REBUTTAL:
And yet, there is no reference to the study or studies verifying these numbers, no example of where these numbers come from at all.
Without specific sources being cited, there’s no way to authenticate this claim.
This is a claim with no substantiation.
Now, amazingly (according to this page you cited), the number of smoking related deaths per year is 440,000. And yet for all of this, I've not been able to authenticate even one death certificate that labels either primary or second hand smoke (or ETS) as the primary cause of death. And still, as of this writing no-one has been able to give me the name(s) of anyone that I can verify as having died from smoking. (And please don't even go down the Heather Crowe avenue, because that story is quite frankly, an easily provable FRAUD!!!)

QUOTE:
"Many studies detail the evidence that cigarette smoking is a major cause of coronary heart disease, which leads to heart attack."

QUESTIONS/REBUTTAL:
Why are none of these “many” studies named or referenced?
With so “many” studies to choose from, you’d think that a reference in a footnote on the page wouldn’t be too much to ask for.
Again, without specific sources being cited, there’s no way to authenticate this claim.

Who CONDUCTED these studies?
Do the claims include recommendations for changing social or public policy or changes in law? Research that includes social or political agendas are far more likely to express the researcher's personal bias and beliefs than work that merely presents data and findings. This is why finding out who conducted a study is important. This is why objective, verifiable replication by other studies is very important.

Who FUNDED these studies?
Are these studies (including all data and methodology employed to reach these conclusions), available for examination, authentication and replication? If not, then the researcher is asking us to accept their word for their findings, with no EVIDENCE offered to support those claims.
Beyond this, knowing who paid for a study usually gives a fair clue as to the direction of bias under which a study was conducted.

What was the METHODOLOGY used to determine the causative (rather than correlative) factors linking cigarette smoking, coronary heart disease and heart attack(s)?
Remember: Correlation does NOT equal causation.

These are just a couple of examples that I’ve culled from the page you offered. There is much more that I could go after to show that the page you offered was nothing more than social engineering and propaganda, and not scientific evidence. It is a page designed to convince you by offering “because we said so” as evidence, rather than actually presenting any real, scientific evidence.

Neither your opinion, nor my opinion, nor even their opinion matters; what matters is the TRUTH.
What can be proven is the truth. All else is merely speculation and opinion.

I've offered in several posts on this page web sites to go to with well sourced, peer reviewed, highly documented, verifiable, scientific evidence that runs contrariwise to the propaganda and the "you must believe it because we said so" approach of the AHA, ACS, EPA, WHO, CDC, etc.

AND YET, NO ONE HAS OFFERED A SCIENTIFIC REBUTTAL TO ANYTHING THAT I HAVE OFFERED!!!

If you, dear responder, have actually gone to the journal of theoretics, or forces.org, or davehitt.com, or junkscience.com pages, and have found the data there in error, or scientifically fraudulent, dubious or invalid, then by all means, rebut the evidence that is presented there.

Don't offer an OPINION, or more propaganda; offer a rational, reasonable, scientifically valid and defendable REBUTTAL to the information that I've provided.

Unless and until you can, perhaps it is you who should shut your mouth...

Amen.

#77114 On Wednesday, January 30, 2008 Guest (not verified) said,

Amen.
Your post may be a bit vitriolic, but on the whole, it is quite accurate.
The hard science shows that the so called scientific/medical claims "proving" the dangers of tobacco smoke are blatantly and deliberately false.
The claims of any health risks due to primary and secondary smoke evaporate under the barest of scrutiny.
And the "nanny state" is, unfortunately, a sad reality.
Keep up the good fight, maybe someday the truth rather than social engineering based on hype will win out.

you are an idiot. the

#76584 On Wednesday, January 23, 2008 Guest (not verified) said,

you are an idiot. the website was about smoking causing cancer. we are talking about secondhand smoke here. to be honest, aside from the health risks, it f-in stinks. it stinks up everything it comes in contact with and the way i look at it if i do something that only affects me fine. if i wanna eat fast food burgers and gain a million pounds it is on me. if you smoke and your secondhand smoke comes into my apartment and stinks it up well then we have a problem. a right is a right when it doesn't inflict something on someone else. i have been told to go elsewhere if i didnt like cigarette smoke. that is facist. i will reply by saying dont drive on the streets tonight because i am gonna drink and drive. come on dumbass cigarette smoke stinks and it causes you and everything around you to stink. just because you want to smell the stench doesn't mean it should be inflicted on me and my private residence. keep the stench to yourself.

And if your fat, burger

#77127 On Wednesday, January 30, 2008 Guest (not verified) said,

And if your fat, burger consuming bottom keeps running into me, then we'll really have a problem, won't we?!?!?
And the fetid smell of burgers coming from your apartment is a real issue to vegetarians. So, maybe you shouldn't cook them at home. Because the smell is coming into my apartment, and it stinks!!!
Think your argument through to its logical conclusion and you'll see it is self-refuting.
If anyone would take smoker's rights, where and when does it end?
Be very careful what of you wish for; it might just come true...

yea... what about if you

#73940 On Sunday, October 14, 2007 Guest (not verified) said,

yea... what about if you have three adults smoking outside constantly in an ajacent apartment and you cannot open one window. I do admit that I cannot smell nor am I bothered by the smoke when the windows are closed -- so does that seem fair when I cannot open even one of five windows?

I don't know, does it seem

#78003 On Tuesday, March 04, 2008 Guest (not verified) said,

I don't know, does it seem fair that smokers have to go outside to smoke? Based on the dubious (at best) claims that second hand smoke is dangerous?
How about opening any one of the other four windows?
Would you prefer if they were firing bullets?
Would you prefer if they were doing drugs?
Would you prefer if they were screaming vulgarities?
Would you prefer if they were obnoxiously, staggeringly drunk?
Would you prefer if they threw loud parties or rang your door buzzer at 3 in the morning?
Would you prefer if they and their guests engaged in fist fights in the hallways?
Would you prefer if they were leering at you through the window?
Would you prefer if they were uttering threats toward you and the ones that you love?

Apparently, you live in an apartment where your primary concern is over an odor, rather than some of the places I've lived, where all of the above happened to my wife and I (in supposedly "good" apartment complexes).
Count your blessings.

To: But what if your

#73569 On Friday, September 14, 2007 Guest (not verified) said,

To: But what if your neighbors (comment)
Wow, this comment really stuck me in a bad way. I recently moved into my apartment - it was probably built in the 1930s and there are tons of cracks in the walls and windows. When the people below us smoke on their balcony, it wakes me up in the middle of the night - our bedroom is consumed with smoke and the windows are closed. I cannot even hide under my sheets because the smell permiates through. I come home from work and our flat smells like we let someone smoke in our apartment. We try to burn insense and candles to hide the smoke. I notice that my throat is usually sore at night time too - this is highly unusual for me. I talked with my doctor and they informed me that we are indeed breathing in second hand smoke from this situation.

This is a real scenario that happens. I'm assuming that our neighbor smokes on the balcony because he does not want his flat to smell like smoke - neither do I. He has chosen to take up a habit that effects other people than himself - he is the one who should make a change.

Obviously the issue of smoking is a strong one for me and I have made the conscious decision to avoid the smoke by not frequenting smoking establishments. I should be able to have my home be a smoke free environment of my choosing as well.

"[H]e is the one who should

#78004 On Tuesday, March 04, 2008 Guest (not verified) said,

"[H]e is the one who should make a change"
Why?
Why are your rights more important than those of your neighbor?
"I recently moved into my apartment - it was probably built in the 1930s and there are tons of cracks in the walls and windows."
Tons of cracks in the walls and windows, and still, you CHOSE to move in.
No-one forced you to.
You had every right to choose not to move into that apartment.
Now that you have, should everyone have to abandon their rights in favor of your comfort?
"I should be able to have my home be a smoke free environment of my choosing as well."
Next time, you should choose an apartment building that is smoke free.
And actually,YOUR home IS smoke free. The problem is that now you want your neighbor's house to be smoke free, too.
For as much as I see people complain that smokers are interfering with their lives here, it's amazing to me that non-smokers are completely blind and oblivious and completely uncaring about how their behavior affects others. And I'm equally amazed at just how childish and selfish they sound; "Everyone else should change, 'cause I want everything to be MY way!!!"
Pure solipsism at its finest...

I live in a small apartment

#73214 On Sunday, August 19, 2007 Guest (not verified) said,

I live in a small apartment that now is highly infested with smoke. My neighbors below me moved in 6 months ago. Since day 2 the smoke has been sitting in my apartment. All 3 of them smoke. They never leave the apartment. And, never open the windows. Plus! They have 3 cats. They probably don't realize that they are not only harming themselves, me, my dog, they are possibly giving there cats feline nasal cancer. I addressed the issue numerous times with the manager. Only to get the answer of "I've never heard of such". Well, they expect ME to move. After I was here 1st, I spent $ on painting, I spents $ on air purifiers, ect. I HAVE TO MOVE. I now have serious health problems. My small dog now has asthma.I can't even get the manager to come to my apartment to see that I am correct. It's not that I care if they smoke or not. It's that I care if I and my dog live.

Tobacco products illegal ?

#73080 On Saturday, August 11, 2007 Guest (not verified) said,

Tobacco products illegal ? ...I live in canada, I have presently problems with people in adjacent apartments who are smokers. I have spoken with them and with friends who are also smokers, and something surprising was said to me... they say that they think that the great majority of smokers wish that smoking should be illegal! They feel that society is inconsistent and illogical by knowing and saying that tobacco smoke is extremely lethal to everyones health and at the same time keeping it legal... It makes sense, and also smokers say that they would like to stop smoking... and at the end what they need is the nicotine. So really smokers are addicts to nicotine, and this legal drug is killing not only smokers but also second hand smokers. Who is benefiting from this drug sale, and what should societies around the world do to help ?... Make the consumption and selling of tobacco illegal, smokers are asking for this surprisingly I am realising and it is not so surprising a conclusion, it makes perfect sense. Making tobacco sale and consumption illegal would not be attacking smokers it would be helping them, this is what heavy smokers independently told me.

We bought our townhouse 2

#73039 On Tuesday, August 07, 2007 Guest (not verified) said,

We bought our townhouse 2 years ago and we love it. The community is quiet, well landscaped and fresh air has never been a problem. Then last year, this woman moved in to my next door and she smokes.

I do not even know what she is smoking. We can never open the window to enjoy fresh air in spring and fall. She has all those parties and with friends smoking, drinking, laughing under our window till 3 am.

She usually smokes on her deck, it's outside, it's her property, but the smoke goes everywhere. If she has the right to do so, then what about my right to enjoy the non-smoke air? Can anyone suggest anything I can do, besides selling the house and moving again?

If I do have to look for a new house, then how can I make sure no current neighbor or future neighbor be a smoker?

What can I do?

Get very, very wealthy, and

#78006 On Tuesday, March 04, 2008 Guest (not verified) said,

Get very, very wealthy, and buy your own secluded island!

Otherwise, you might have to deal with smoke and pollen and pollution and noise and neighbors and all sorts of irritating things...

Like Sinatra said; "That's life".

I know that some smokers can

#68508 On Monday, July 09, 2007 Guest (not verified) said,

I know that some smokers can be rude, but that does NOT mean that all of us are. I have smoked all of my adult life. I respect non smokers. My children were not born with defects, nor were they ever sickly. My children are extremely healthy, and well cared for. How can most of the people posting here say that they are better than me, when most of what I read were name calling. I am tired of the discrimination against smokers. Where does it all end? I have researched a lot of the "So called" statistics about second hand smoke, and most of the findings are all lies. The so called scientific community is all smoke and mirrors. The government is trying to run our lives, and they give the public false readings on their study findings. If you do enough "research", you might find the truth. I am not trying to offend anyone who posts here, but I'm sure that the name calling about me will start. I'm asking to stop the hate before you know the person.

You're right - people are

#68649 On Tuesday, July 10, 2007 Guest (not verified) said,

You're right - people are likely going to call you names. I can think of a few. You don't present a single fact to back up your "Lies! It's all lies!" theory. I guess because you are saying it, it must be true. I wouldn't believe that from a smoker. If you ask me, it is only people with lower intelligence who start smoking in the first place. The even dumber ones get addicted. The really, really dumb ones die of lung cancer. I say good riddance to all of you. The only regret I have is that my tax dollars are paying for your damn hospital care as you choke your last breath through a tube. Sad.

In response to post"68649",

#77094 On Wednesday, January 30, 2008 Guest (not verified) said,

In response to post"68649", and to all others who would try to make the claim that second hand smoke is such a danger to all who come in contact with it, I would humbly suggest that you drop the pre-conceived notions, and dig into the facts of the matter.
As a start, I would suggest that you thoughtfully and honestly consider the claims being made by the anti-smoking lobbyists. Such as the "fact" that 53,000 people die annually in the United States due to second hand smoke.
This is a bald faced lie.
Between 1959 and 1975, the hostilities in Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia claimed the lives of more than 58,000 Americans. Of those 58,000 I can name two that I personally knew and I know of scores of others who can name and knew several more than I did.
And yet, NO ONE that I know can name even one person who has died from second hand smoke. Sixteen years of open hostility yielded 58,000 victims and I can name some, but miraculously, no one can name one of the 53,000 who are supposedly dying EVERY YEAR from second hand smoke. Don't you find that odd?
And if you want to make the claim that YOU can name someone, I'd like for you to provide a verifiable name, and a legitimate death certificate showing that the primary cause of death was due to E.T.S.(second hand smoke).
Until then, I'd suggest you take a look at the following websites, and at least honestly consider the information being presented there.
forces.org
davehitt.com
junkscience.com
As far as being one of the "uneducated masses" who are duped by "big tobacco", I offer this: I had the curriculum changed at a major research university (North Dakota State University) due to my own research into the blatant lies and disingenuous use of the "findings" of the metadata "research studies" as conducted by the World Health Organization (WHO) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA).
If you're still believing the media and the pseudo scientific "evidence" being bandied about on this subject, you've unfortunately been duped by the media and by pseudo science.
This is called social engineering, and it has nothing to do with reputable science.
Before you wholeheartedly believe what Katie Couric and others report on the news or the Today Show, it might be in your best interests to check the actual facts for yourself.
The onus is not on me to prove that second hand smoke isn't dangerous, the onus rests upon those who claim that it is. And, their findings have to be consistent with the rigors of the scientific method: Observable, testable, repeatable, and consistent with the findings of other scientists conducting the exact, same experiments. Within these strictures, the second hand smoke (E.T.S.) arguments fail the test of true, legitimate science.
As for your claim that your tax dollars are paying for smokers in any way, you again are mistaken.
But, the tax dollars of smokers are what are keeping your roads paved, and your public schools in operation.
And by the way, before throwing out ad hominem attacks such as "If you ask me, it is only people with lower intelligence who start smoking in the first place. The even dumber ones get addicted. The really, really dumb ones die of lung cancer.", your time might be better spent getting your education and your facts in order.

I agree with all the

#59779 On Thursday, June 28, 2007 Guest (not verified) said,

I agree with all the non-smokers. I moved into an apartment which had previously rented to chain smokers!! I was told otherwise by management.I have cleaned, bleached the walls. To make matters worse, the people next door are chain smokers and NEVER open windows or doors. My kitchen and AC vents are now consumed with smoke. The owners say that they are going to fix the problem,(which they claim comes form the attic). I am 8 months pregnant with and 9 yr old son whose is asthmatic and all my clothes and everything in my apartment is consumed with that trash. I do not trust that the problem will be fixed so I am moving, it sucks. I do not feel sorry for people who suffer from emphysema or any other smoke related illness, you all did it to yourselves!

And the "Mother Teresa"

#78009 On Tuesday, March 04, 2008 Guest (not verified) said,

And the "Mother Teresa" humanitarian of the year award goes to...

Virginia has some of the

#59392 On Wednesday, June 27, 2007 Guest (not verified) said,

Virginia has some of the most lax smoking laws. The state and only the state has the power to regulate where and when people can smoke. The state legislators have tried for the last few years to pass a smoking ban in bars and restaurants, but the tobacco companies are still pouring money to the few "good ol' boys".

What this means for apartment dwellers in Virginia, there is no hope of getting an apartment building to go totally smoke-free.

My apartment is Arlington, VA literally stinks!! My neighbor smokes about 20-30 cigarettes a night. The smell is overpowering. I pay an ungodly amount of money to die from lung cancer.

I just recently moved into a

#22282 On Saturday, June 09, 2007 Guest (not verified) said,

I just recently moved into a "onced consumed by a smoker" apartment. Before I moved in, managment promised the smoke odor would be taken care of. Plus they insisted a NON-smoker(which I am)move into this unit due to it being next to the leasing office. Well when I entered the apartment on my move in day...the place smelled like a smoke ridden hotel room and still does due to the carpet they DIDN'T replace but just cleaned. The carpet is warn and has numerous stains as well. When I asked management about replacing the carpet they said this would raise my rent. I've been living here for two weeks now with an air purifyer and everything and it still smells! Do I have a right to new carpet and does managment have the right to raise my rent do to damages done from a previous tenent???!!!

They didn't promise you new

#78011 On Tuesday, March 04, 2008 Guest (not verified) said,

They didn't promise you new carpet.
They promised they would remove the odor, but did you GET IT IN WRITING?
Did they specifically outline in writing and sign the document stating exactly WHAT they would do to remove the odor?
You had the opportunity on your move in day to refuse to move in due to the management not living up to their promises of odor removal - IF you got it in writing.
Otherwise, no; they're not obligated to provide you with new carpet or anything else outside of what is outlined in the lease.
And unfortunately, yes, they have the right to raise your rent if they provide you with new carpet.
You moved into the apartment accepting the condition that you found it in, which limits your recourse in this matter.

You sound exactly as I am!

#14133 On Sunday, May 27, 2007 Guest (not verified) said,

You sound exactly as I am! HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH ILLNESS ALL THE TIME AND MEANTIME? After learning what I've now read about the toxicity deposition inside, I'm scared I'll ever for-the-time-being find a place to live (in Portland OR). The landlord's attitude is not of action, acts like a blow-off and joke.Have you summoned any legal authority/ rep.? Is it a matter of time and meantime for our rights, that going for the low-life insurers too? Cheers to all for air!

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