Second Hand Smoke in Your Apartment

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Second-hand smoke (also called environmental tobacco smoke or ETS) is a health risk for everyone, and particularly for children (who become very susceptible to developing asthma or respiratory infections when exposed to smoke) and the elderly. It’s within your power to quit smoking if you’re a smoker, choose to live with only non-smokers, and ask your guests to smoke outside if they must. But what if your neighbors are smokers? Even if they smoke outside, the smoke might migrate into your living space through cracks around doors or windows or in ventilation system, posing a threat to your health. So what rights do you have when it comes to protecting yourself against second-hand smoke? Read on for more information about the dangers of second-hand smoke and the ways you can protect yourself.

Understanding Second-Hand Smoke

Some people argue that second-hand smoke isn’t harmful, or suggest that smoking does much more harm to the smoker than to anyone else. However, research demonstrates that second-hand smoke actually has more tar, nicotine, carbon monoxide, ammonia, and cadmium than the smoke inhaled by smokers. Second-hand smoke also increases the risk of lung disease by 25% and the risk of heart disease by 10%. The estimate of deaths from diseases caused by second-hand smoke each year ranges from 30,000 to 70,000. Smoke unquestionably poses a serious threat to smokers and non-smokers alike.

Sometimes educating smokers about the negative effects their smoke can have on others is enough to change some behaviors—many smokers consider that they’re only harming themselves by smoking, and may be surprised to learn that second-hand smoke really can have dangerous effects. Second-hand smoke is not a concept that was invented to make smokers feel bad—it’s a serious detriment to health.

Talking with Smokers

If you approach your smoker neighbors to talk about the issue, do so with tact. They’ve likely been berated by friends, family members, and total strangers about their smoking in the past, and perhaps have even tried to quit. Taking an aggressive stance will only make the smoker less likely to cooperate with you.

Instead of screaming about the health risks of smoking and calling the smoker a murderer, simply express your genuine concern about your and your family’s health, and make a specific request for a behavior change. If the smoker is smoking indoors and the smoke is traveling to your apartment through air vents, request that the person smoke outside. If the individual is already smoking outdoors, but the smoke is seeping into your apartment through cracks around windows and doors, suggest moving the smoking location—from the balcony to the front door (or vice versa), if applicable, or ask the smoker to smoke in the courtyard, or a short distance from the door.

Making a specific request that the smoker can either agree to or deny helps the conversation progress, rather than reaching a stalemate. Come prepared with additional suggestions in case your neighbor doesn’t go for your first priority. You should also be ready to tell the smoker about other ways you might try to deal with the issue, including requesting that your apartment’s maintenance department install better air filters, seal any cracks that may be letting in smoke, improve the weather-stripping around doors and windows, and take other actions that my help out.

If the situation is dire and your neighbor is truly uncooperative, you may be able to sue your neighbor for damages. This is definitely a last resort, and such a step should only be taken after extensive efforts to work with your neighbor and landlord to improve the situation. If you have serious health issues related to smoke inhalation, you maybe protected under the Americans with Disabilities Act, which can help your case. (You should, of course, disclose this information to all parties involved before issuing the lawsuit.)

Talking with Landlords: Suggest a Smoke-Free Living Space

Smoke-free businesses are becoming more popular. Many bars and restaurants have outlawed smoking, much to the relief of people bothered by smoke allergies or concerned about the dangers of second-hand smoke. Businesses often see a rise in sales following their decision to go smoke-free.

Share this information with your landlord, and suggest making the apartment a smoke-free space. It’s likely to be nothing but a benefit to your landlord and the tenants, except for perhaps some die-hard smokers. A smoke-free guarantee makes the property more attractive to potential tenants and significantly reduces maintenance costs for the landlord—no more ripping up and replacing smoke-tainted carpets or cleaning and painting walls saturated with smoke. If your landlord doesn’t want to go completely smoke-free, perhaps making one of the buildings or floors (it may be best to choose the first floor, as smoke from lower floors tends to rise up and disturb people above) on the property smoke-free would be a good option for everyone involved.

The transition doesn’t have to be instant—that is, current tenants don’t have to be forced to stop smoking. Simply introduce a no-smoking clause into new leases. Eventually the complex will be smoke-free.

When Smoke-Free Isn’t an Option

If the concept of a smoke-free property isn’t appealing to your landlord, try to get repairs or improvements made that will increase your healthful enjoyment of your living space. Possible repairs include improved air filtration systems, better weather-stripping for doors and windows, and repair of cracks in walls, windows, doors, or filtration systems. Most landlords should be reasonably accommodating of such requests. If applicable, you may want to provide a note from your doctor documenting any health conditions you have that may be aggravated by the second-hand smoke, or any deterioration in your health that may have occurred due to second-hand smoke.

If your landlord is resistant to the idea of helping you improve your living conditions, and the smoke is a serious concern for you, it may be possible to break your lease and move to a smoke-free environment. You are legally entitled to a healthful living space, and second-hand smoke may pose a legitimate threat to your health. You’ll of course need to document your attempts to resolve the issue by sending certified letters to apartment management. If no efforts have been made after a reasonable amount of time, it may be necessary to start procedures for breaking your lease.

With a little effort, you may be able to resolve a smoking issue with ease. If that’s not possible, you can investigate the possibility of getting out of a housing situation where second-hand smoke poses a real danger. Investigate all the possibilities, and then take the best action for your situation.

235 Responses to “Second Hand Smoke in Your Apartment”

  1. December 10, 2006 at 10:19 am, Guest said:

    More liberal whining about smoking…let people live their own lives. Stop fearing death and start living your life. Next article will be “how to eliminate those who think differently from your apartment complex” and “Does your neighbor contribute to global warming?

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  2. December 11, 2006 at 2:13 pm, Guest said:

    You know, I am single mother of four children. My ex husband and his new spouse, along with all their friends, smoke cigarette after cigarette. My children come home from visitation and I have to send them directly to the shower and put their clothes in tied trashbags in order to keep the stench out of my home and making me sick. I worry about my children on daily basis because they are at risk of numerous diseases becauses of their father’s addiction. I take this serious, no whining, fact. Think about what you are imposing on other people when you light up. If someone was spraying poison all around you, you would take precautions, how is this any different?

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  3. December 12, 2006 at 12:12 pm, Guest said:

    4189. This isn’t a liberal or conservative issue. It’s an issue about human rights, and your rights END where mine BEGIN, you uneducated cretin. Let me dumb that down for you: if your smoke is coming into my space, you’re invading my right to breath clean, fresh air.

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  4. December 12, 2006 at 12:14 pm, Guest said:

    4189 — This isn’t a liberal or conservative issue. It’s an issue about human rights, and your rights END where mine BEGIN. Let me dumb that down for you: if your nasty smoke is coming into my space, you’re invading my right to breath clean, fresh air. Do you understand now? Good.

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  5. December 12, 2006 at 12:43 pm, Guest said:

    A person may have the right to “think differently from others” and have the right to inflict harm to themselves, but not to others! Non smokers have a right to breathe fresh air. Period.

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  6. December 17, 2006 at 9:55 pm, Guest said:

    Pretty standard smoker bull. Trying to spin it into a political issue and whine about “his rights” when it affects everyone around them. I have the right to clean air. You do not have the right to take that away from me because you need your nicotine fix.

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  7. December 19, 2006 at 10:05 am, Guest said:

    Tsk – tsk- tsk
    If you choose to live next to or near unedumacated cretins whose sole claim to glory is manipulating fire, then I do believe the olde saying should come into play – Caveat rentor :)

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  8. December 20, 2006 at 7:26 am, Guest said:

    Besides, it “stinks,” and even if you don’t care about your health who wants to smell really bad all of the time, and have your home have a stench. Sometimes people smell so bad that it about knocks you over when they walk by. Yuk!

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  9. December 22, 2006 at 2:40 am, Guest said:

    If you only knew.
    There are many people out there who are sensitive to smoke. I for one can’t breathe when I smell smoke. I mean that literally. All my breathing stops. I can’t help it. Thats the way its always been.

    I am bombarded on a daily basis with smokers: where I live, when I walk out of my door, in the hallway. You name it there are a lot people who have been brain washed into smoking when they were younger and now they are all hooked on the drug. The puppeteers have done there job very well and keep profiting.

    If you only knew how it used to be when you were smoke free. You may not feel it right now but wait in few years time. You will develop health issues and be sick rest for the rest of your life.

    Take care of yourself.

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  10. December 24, 2006 at 6:59 am, Guest said:

    Take Control of your life and your environment! Go to:

    http://oxyfresh.com/air/default.asp

    and just do it! Just make this purchase of an air purifier. It will change your life with the least amount of financial or emotional investment and it is the most effective and efficient way to take the control back from the smokers.

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  11. December 31, 2006 at 4:16 am, Guest said:

    In the U.S. smoking has become the province of lower-class dummies, hugely overlapping with the demographic that buys lottery tickets. If these a-holes with their subpar I.Q.s want to use their minimum wage paychecks to commit suicide, it’s no big loss…But in the meantime why do the rest of us have to breathe their poison outside supermarkets and convenience stores, and even seeping through the walls of our own apartments?!!

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  12. January 02, 2007 at 11:29 am, Guest said:

    I don ‘t know why you whine so much. The fact of the matter is that smoking is banned pretty much everywhere already. With the few places remaining that some people can choose to light up dwindling by the day, might you consider the fact that this free country affords them rights as well? Let’s make it so that the government regulates every tiny aspect of our lives. That will surely be better.
    Think about this. The last time I heard this statistic, 95% of the US population consumed alchohol at least once a month. It’s bad for you, destroys your liver, kills brain cells, and is akin to ingesting poison, yet most of us do it anyways. Should we completely restrict your right to consume alcohol, or leave with you the ability to make a decision concerning your own health, well-being and social habits?
    I admit, smoking is bad, unhealthy, unpleasant and almost completely unattractive in any person you might date or otherwise be with. That unfortunately does not take away their right to enjoy their vice in an appropriate fashion in some manner. The simple fact of the matter is that simply making something illegal doesn’t stop people from partaking in it. Informed choice and satisfactory alternatives are the only solution that truly work to affect lasting change.
    I can assure you that I possess an IQ that is well above normal, yet I confess that I have been known to light up on a regular basis. It stimulates the theta brain waves and can serve as a relaxant, and as something to do with my hands. I don’t smoke alot, and I don’t smoke in my home, blow my smoke in anyone’s face, or inside their homes, or try in any way to be offensive about it. But if I was, how would you react? Probably aggressively towards me. So why is it you think that many smokers react in similar fashion to your advances concerning their smoking.
    Attacks on the smoker’s intelligence, character or their person are unlikely to yield any sort of positive action on their part. So I argue that perhaps the ignorant sod is you.

    You simply cannot force anyone to do what you want them to do just because you think they should. This is the very attitude that resulted in the revolutionary war that birthed this country. We fought against Tyrants who wanted us to live their way, do their thing and just lay down and do what we’re told. Why is it so different today?

    Essentially, all I’m saying is that before you cast summary judgement on others for their vices and habits, you had better see that your own house is in complete proper order.

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  13. January 02, 2007 at 9:20 pm, Guest said:

    “You simply cannot force anyone to do what you want them to do just because you think they should.”

    You mean like forcing non-smokers to suck down your disgusting smoke? or forcing them to reek of cigarette smoke after simply sitting in the vicinity of your cigarette for one minute? It’s so pathetic when smokers start whining about their supposed “right” to do nothing less than assault other people.

    You have the right to harm your own health and make life harder for yourself, certainly. That’s why you have every right to eat a Big Mac whenever you wish. My cholesterol won’t go up because you’re eating a Big Mac next to me, but my risk of heart and lung disease will if you’re smoking next to me. I may not like the smell of a Big Mac, but it won’t cling to me or my clothes like cigarette smoke. I won’t get drunk in a bar if I don’t drink any alcohol, no matter how long I stay there, but my health will be affected by the cigarette smoke and it’d get worse the longer I stay there.

    My not smoking has no effect on you, but your smoking certainly affects me, and you have absolutely no right to harm me or any one else with your smoking. Maybe a better analogy is that of playing the stereo too loud. If someone’s sitting in his home, and you start blaring your stereo and refuse to turn it down, would you honestly respond that you have a “right” to play your stereo as loud as you want, no matter how much of a nuisance it is?

    If the only place you’re legally allowed to smoke is in a basement closet, then so be it. But then you’d have to reconsider the protestations that you don’t have a low IQ, since being that desperate to do something you know is awful for you and makes you a pariah is a sure sign that you’re not playing with a full deck.

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  14. January 03, 2007 at 11:25 pm, Guest said:

    And spraying whole bottle of perfume on yourself does not make you stupid murders smell better!!!

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  15. January 04, 2007 at 1:28 pm, Guest said:

    I have lived in a second-hand smoke bombarded apt for 17 months now, and the office staff always told me that my downstairs neighbor smoker could smoke wherever she wanted – indoors, or outside my windows. When I finally listed the excessive 2nd hand smoke as my reason for moving (on my 30-day notice), the manager suddenly took concern. Too late. Both my son and I have asthma, and it puts us in serious respiratory distress, not to mention I had to keep taking all my smoke-reeking clothes, towels and bed linens to the cleaners and laundromat (very expensive). Every time I get out of the shower and go to wipe my face and body with a towel, I take in the reeking cig stench from the towel, then can’t bare to wipe by whole body with it. Who wants to smell so badly, especially after just coming out of the shower?! It does not matter whether my windows are open or closed, the smoke seeps in from downstairs, the windows, front door and the bathroom vent. I paid to have my carpet shampooed in april. It smeeled better for a couple months, then the cig reek just seeped back through again. Sure, you can’t beat the $575 rent, but if the place is unliveable,, then it is $575 wasted. I make a conscious decision to live healthful, so why should I suffer all the health problems caused by someone else’s irresponsible addiction? This woman comes out all hours of the day and through the middle of the night to stand in her doorway and smoke!!! Or under my windows. I sometimes wake up in the middle of the night choking on her toxins. Would it be ok for me to pour cyanide gas into her apartment 24 hours of the day? hell no, of course not! Would it be alright for me to back a car up to her windows, leaving it running, with carbon monoxide pouring into her apartment 24 hours a day? Hell no. of course not! Why then is she allowed to poison my son and I with fumes full of known toxins with immediate health repercussions???????????

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  16. January 07, 2007 at 9:55 pm, Guest said:

    I lived for a few years in an affluent beach community in California. I heard an interesting story about a smoker. Many Californians don’t want smokers on the beach, because it ruins the fresh air and creates litter. Some take it quite seriously.

    One day, a careless smoker was walking down the pristine beach, puffing away. When finished, he flicked the lit butt into the white sand, as usual. An angry local saw this and became furious. The local proceeded to bash the smoker in the head with a baseball bat. The smoker fell to the ground with a thud, unconscious and gushing with blood.

    The local was well connected with the courts and received almost no sentence. The smoker had quite a headache and scar. I am not taking sides,I’ve been on both. It’s important to remember that non-smokers are starting to outnumber smokers. Most won’t do anything if you light up, but there are some psychotic people out there. Be careful.

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  17. January 10, 2007 at 9:56 am, Guest said:

    Adding a few words with more than four letters to you posting does not make you articulate, nor does it make your falsified facts true. Research your topic and you will find that smokers still coming from all walks of life. The brands and form of tobacco they use may vary by social class, but like alcoholism, domestic violence, drug abuse, etc, stats are pretty consistent from class to class. As to putting down the lower class, you live in a rented apartment so I wouldn’t call you middle or upper class either!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  18. January 10, 2007 at 3:28 pm, Guest said:

    Responding to:
    “More liberal whining about smoking…”
    Listen up, dude. I am a conservative, not a liberal, and I will certainly object if you assault me with your used smoke, or any other bodily wastes. My face is *not* available to you to use as your toxic waste disposal site. I do not choose to inhale your dirty stink, so kindly go away and skulk in some foul basement with your own fellow-addicts and quit bothering the rest of us. Goodbye, and enjoy yourself.

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  19. January 11, 2007 at 9:42 am, Guest said:

    Here’s a thought. If you don’t like smokers or smoke that much, then get up and move. Nobody is tying you down and blowing smoke in your face. If you do not like smoke, then only go to smoke-free establishments. Heck, if you are that worried about it, you may want to stay in your house and suck on pure oxygen, because just going outside, you inhale more toxins created by cars, power plans, greenhouse gasses, landfill gasses, and in some areas radon gasses, all which will kill you before second hand cigarette smoke will.

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  20. January 13, 2007 at 3:54 pm, Guest said:

    Honestly, I don’t have a problem if people want to smoke. I DO however have a problem if I have to breath it. You are right, you can’t force people to do what you want, but I exercise my right to breath clean air. Restricting someones right to use alcohol has nothing to do with this smoking issue. If someone is sitting next to me drinking a beer, that doesn’t impose on me whatsoever. If someone is sitting next to me smoking, I can smell it and it bothers me. Stop using examples that have nothing to do with the real issue. I agree that if someone wants to smoke in their apartment, then fine, let them. But I also think that I have the right to live in my home and not breath toxic fumes. You’re smoking is affecting ME and invading my personal space. I think even you can agree with that unless all that smoking has killed too many of your brain cells.

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  21. January 14, 2007 at 1:44 pm, Guest said:

    I live in San Diego and I have lived in a variety of nice places and not so nice places. My girlfriend’s dad used to be wealthy and he paid for us to live in very nice condos in the marina district downtown. His company is now going downhill and we have to live in a less nice place. I can notice a huge change in the amount of smokers from when I used to live, where many people drove $150k+ cars, to where I live now, which is middle class. There are a lot more smokers in the middle class place I currently live. When I lived around wealthy people, there was not much smoking, if any at all.

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  22. January 14, 2007 at 1:47 pm, Guest said:

    You can go to court and get more custody of your child beacuse your child’s father is a smoker, at least in California.

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  23. January 14, 2007 at 7:02 pm, Guest said:

    How about i come and leave crap on your doorstep, would you like that. That is what you smoking in the apartment next to me so that it seeps through the walls is like.

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  24. January 15, 2007 at 12:21 am, Guest said:

    Use some painters caulking on the corners of all the sheet-rock where its been cracked, Buy foam insulation inserts that go under the outlet and switch covers, and ask your landlord for a quart of matching touch up paint to re paint the corners. It will probably cost you about 20 dollars and 3 or 4 hours one weekend. The money you will will probably recover on your energy bills, and the time you will recover from not being angry.

    I am a smoker and I only smoke on my back porch, its the only place we are allowed to smoke in this complex and as a single father of a 16 year old I prefer to not smoke in the house anyway.

    I agree about non smokers rights to a point. I go out of my way not to smoke around non smokers because when I was a kid my mother smoked and I hated it. However if I am where I am allowed to smoke then that is my right to do so. It is legal.

    In the last few years most of the states won settlements from the tobacco companies. It was not about smoking, it was just about money. If it truly was about the smoking they would of gone out of there way to offer every smoker help to quit.

    Personally if you were my neighbor and you became confrontational, I would tell you what bridge to jump off of, but if you offered to help me I might take you up on the offer. Most of the people I know that smoke, at least a part of them wish they didn’t.

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  25. January 26, 2007 at 10:29 pm, Guest said:

    My husband and I have the same problem now that a couple always smoke under our window. We just move in for two months, the view and air flow here is wonderful except the time when this couple is smoking. Is any law there can stop this couple for smoking under our window? We love this rental apartment so much and just don’t want to move AGAIN.

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  26. February 06, 2007 at 10:05 am, Guest said:

    Everyone needs to be reasonable and logical in this matter. Attacking an individual’s intelligence (or lack thereof) is irrelevant, disrespectful, and silly. The bottom line is that people have a right to make some choices–they do NOT have a right to impose their choice on others, and this is what cigarette smoking does. Were it just annoying, we (nonsmokers) could reasonably be told to move or suck it up. But no rational person can argue with the scientific data that proves that second-hand smoke kills. Smokers have a right to smoke in their own home if it does not affect others. In communal (apartment) living, smoke travels through walls, vents, floorboards, even light sockets and electrical outlets. When that happens, they are not only smoking in their homes, they are smoking in mine. There is no getting around this fact.

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  27. March 02, 2007 at 3:07 pm, Guest said:

    #4943-“heres a thought”-although it may be true that there are many other invisible toxins in our environment which should equally concern us, being an occasional smoker- i have to agree non are so obviously offensive as second hand smoke-of which the affects of can be noted immediately(nausea,shortness of breath,smell on clothing/hair/body,etc…) and i gotta say even when trying to avoid it-it’s not alway’s an option.-thanks

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  28. March 02, 2007 at 5:23 pm, Guest said:

    im 15 and i live in a small ass apartment and it always is clouded with cigarette smoke. my clothes always smell like cigarettes. whut do i do???

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  29. March 06, 2007 at 3:32 pm, Guest said:

    If anyone smokes in your building, you should move. There is no excuse for breathing that in. Unless you are sure no one ever smokes in the hallway (even walking through) and no smoke travels through the vents, you really need to find a new place.

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  30. March 07, 2007 at 10:23 am, Guest said:

    I don’t think most people doubt the fact that you have the right to smoke in your apartment if the leasing company allows it. However, don’t I have the same right to not have my stuff smell like smoke? It’s not like a bar or a restaurant. When people could smoke in a bar I expected to come home smelling like smoke. People smoke and I put myself in that situation. But I don’t smoke, I don’t let people smoke in my house, and I don’t believe I even know that many people that smoke. So I don’t want my clothes, my furniture, my apartment to smell like what I don’t do. You have the right to smoke all you want as long as it doesn’t affect my right to not having a smoke smelling home. Just like I have the right drink, listen to music, have a pet, invite people over, etc. as much as I want as long as I am not bothering you. I think that is all most people want.

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  31. March 07, 2007 at 10:29 am, Guest said:

    Some comments are completely irrational. Being extreme and defensive doesn’t do anything constructive. It just sounds ridiculous and makes it easy for people to not take you seriously. There just needs to be a way that you can smoke and be happy, and I can have my apartment not smell like you are smoking and be happy. Smoke all you want! I just don’t want my couch to smell like you’ve been doing it in my house.

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  32. March 12, 2007 at 4:39 pm, Guest said:

    What if you live in a house? In my case, I bought a semi-detached house and our neighbours smoke. Sometimes it is so smoky in our house, it’s just like a bar. We have a three year old daughter and have had to deal with 9 months of coughing and chest pain, and increasing irritability and stress. In my case, we cannot move, as we just moved in. It is very expensive to buy and then sell a house. We put every dime into this house, but are forced to move. We have sealed every crack, baseboard and window, but smoke still comes in. WHat then? What about our health and our child?

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  33. March 23, 2007 at 12:46 am, Guest said:

    I think we should ban just about any annoying thing people do in their own apartments that would affect others. How about passing gas? The fumes might seep into the hallway and offend others. It’s offensive and as toxic to others as cigarette smoke. Let’s all join the AFC (anti-farting campaign.) You anti-smokers give me a real pain. There are issues of global warming, people dying in Iraq, homeless people. Give us a break and get interested in helping others not criticizing.

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  34. March 31, 2007 at 1:14 pm, Guest said:

    The nieghbours that we have below us are constantly smoking and its gettting very harmful for our kids. Why dont they ban smoking???

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  35. April 02, 2007 at 7:36 am, Guest said:

    Some inconsiderate, brain-dead, chain smoking weirdo who lives opposite my apartment smokes virtually 24/7! The pathetic little troll ventures out once a week to buy his cigaretts (and probably marajuna).

    I’m sick of the smell permeating through my front door- I have even fitted draught excluders. I am on the verge of reporting the reprobate.

    Yeah, I’m pretty angry about it- it’s like living opposite a a tobacco works! Smokers are the lowest form of life- seriously. They don’t care about their own bodies, so thery’re certainly not going to give a damn about ours.

    What a pathetic activity- LOSERS!

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  36. April 09, 2007 at 6:37 am, Guest said:

    The stench of cigarette smoke is the most disgusting thing in the world. I would rather sit with a rotting carcass than a smoker.

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  37. April 16, 2007 at 11:02 am, Guest said:

    I have bought 2 orecks one for the bedroom and one for the living room,the place still smells like smoke.they just have to pass a law prohibiting smokers to smoke inside apts,or start having more apartments with a hugh section of no smokers section,with a 500. fine if smoke comes in that area,ship all the smokers off to smokers island and let them kill one another with their smoke!!!!!

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  38. April 17, 2007 at 1:12 am, Guest said:

    I get deathly ill when exposed to smoke. I’ve been sick for about a week from being first exposed to smoke on college campus and then in my apartment where people smoke outside but the apartments are not engery friendly. Our heat and AC goes out the windows and the door so smoke comes in the same ways.

    Reading this helped but not all that sure if the apartment will do anything about it. They should be nice to us for not sueing for the fact they flooded our apartment two times in a ltime frame of two months.

    Something HAS to be done. Smoke is killing me and I can’t afford to miss college classes plus having a cat who has breathing problems as well.

    Smoking should be banned, I agree. People need to learn to live without it. It does nothing. What’s the point in it?

    Smokers spend $1000s a year on something that is just killing them and those around them.

    When your house is burning down, are you up smelling the smoke in the air? No your down on ground so you don’t pass out and die.

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  39. April 26, 2007 at 10:52 am, Guest said:

    I’m sure you are a very nice person and you’re right that nonsmokers should not make personal judgments about smokers in an attacking manner. However, using the statistic regarding alcohol, (note the spelling correction), to strengthen your argument is a little silly.

    Alcohol in moderation has been proven to be a healthy consumption. Really, when you think about it, anything in moderation is ok, but cigarrette smoke contains over 400 toxic chemicals including arsenic and it very dangerous to those inhaling your fumes.

    I am on this website today to try and get ideas about how to cleanse my apartment of the stinch of cig. smoke coming from my neighbors downstairs. It is a very frustrating life when you are forced to breathe in toxins against your will. I have a right not to be contaminated due to others’ choices. Last time I checked, sipping wine in my apartment was not harming my neighbors.

    As an intelligent person whose IQ is above normal, you may want to educate yourself on the detrimental effects of cig. smoke on you and others around you, (no matter where you choose to “light up”). That education could just save your life!

    **For every 8 smokers who DIE of LUNG CANCER…one nonsmoker will DIE too due to second hand smoke.**

    So, put that in your pipe and smoke it…(pardon my pun).

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  40. April 28, 2007 at 1:53 am, Guest said:

    I can certainly understand someone not wanting to be around cigarette smoke. And it is true that tobacco smoke can permeate an apartment through the floors, doors windows, and cracks. However, it seems logical to me that when one goes to look at an apartment, that would be one of the first questions you would ask the leasing agent–“Do you allow residents in this complex to smoke in and around their apartments?” I would especially ask this question if second hand smoke affected me, if the stench of cigarette smoke overwhelms me, or if I have a medical condition that is exacerbated by being around smoking individuals. If you ask BEFORE you move in, you can save yourself alot of trouble and conflict with the neighbors. Go someplace where they don’t allow smoking, or where smokers are segregated from non-smokers. It really irritates me, however, how some people will move into a place, knowing that smoking is allowed there, and then try to make it their mission to change the place to their liking. It is a sad day when people who live in and pay good money for their apartment home are told how they must live by their complaining neighbors. If people are too dumb to ask questions that are important to them before they move in, then they should be forced to accept the situation “as is”. In fact, I don’t know many apartment complexes that do prohibit smoking. But if you don’t like it, don’t move into a place that allows it.

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  41. May 24, 2007 at 8:26 pm, Guest said:

    Some people enjoy their good health and don’t want to die a painful death from lung cnacer. You’re giving yourself a pain by putting toxins into your own system, not to mention innocent people around you. You have some nerve. Smoking is a CHOICE, not a world condition or a bodily function. Get help. You’re a serious freak if you think poisoning people is funny.

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  42. May 24, 2007 at 8:33 pm, Guest said:

    My dumb ass neighbors smoke marijuana, but, fortunately, it doesn’t waft into my apartment. I live in a really nice complex, and it’s a real shame that theyr’e doing that. I find it very selfish, and even though I only smell it if I’m in the hall, I’d rather not at all. They have to know that it’s an illegal drug, and that sooner or later they’ll be reported. There are mostly elderly people in this building, which is why I moved here, then these dumb potheads moved in soon after.There really should be a ban on smoking in apartment buildings, because it’s not fair to leave the other tenants without a choice over their health. No one has a right to pollute the air you breathe, and I find that so disgusting!!! Smoke smells worse than CRAP.

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  43. May 27, 2007 at 4:15 am, Guest said:

    You sound exactly as I am! HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH ILLNESS ALL THE TIME AND MEANTIME? After learning what I’ve now read about the toxicity deposition inside, I’m scared I’ll ever for-the-time-being find a place to live (in Portland OR). The landlord’s attitude is not of action, acts like a blow-off and joke.Have you summoned any legal authority/ rep.? Is it a matter of time and meantime for our rights, that going for the low-life insurers too? Cheers to all for air!

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  44. June 09, 2007 at 12:30 pm, Guest said:

    I just recently moved into a “onced consumed by a smoker” apartment. Before I moved in, managment promised the smoke odor would be taken care of. Plus they insisted a NON-smoker(which I am)move into this unit due to it being next to the leasing office. Well when I entered the apartment on my move in day…the place smelled like a smoke ridden hotel room and still does due to the carpet they DIDN’T replace but just cleaned. The carpet is warn and has numerous stains as well. When I asked management about replacing the carpet they said this would raise my rent. I’ve been living here for two weeks now with an air purifyer and everything and it still smells! Do I have a right to new carpet and does managment have the right to raise my rent do to damages done from a previous tenent???!!!

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  45. June 27, 2007 at 2:16 am, Guest said:

    Your suggestion that all we have to do if we are assaulted by our neighbors’ cigarette smoke is to “get up and move” is absurd. You say nobody is tying me down and blowing smoke in my face? You’re completely wrong! I have sleep apnea and have been awakened many a night by cigarette smoke that gets sucked into my CPAP machine and is literally BLOWING SMOKE IN MY FACE!!! You are clearly either a smoker or someone with very little understanding of how serious second-hand smoke is. There are people out there, like me, who can’t afford to move. Moving is very expensive. Besides, why should I be the one to move? I’m not the one assaulting my neighbors with deadly toxins.

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  46. June 27, 2007 at 5:35 pm, Guest said:

    Virginia has some of the most lax smoking laws. The state and only the state has the power to regulate where and when people can smoke. The state legislators have tried for the last few years to pass a smoking ban in bars and restaurants, but the tobacco companies are still pouring money to the few “good ol’ boys”.

    What this means for apartment dwellers in Virginia, there is no hope of getting an apartment building to go totally smoke-free.

    My apartment is Arlington, VA literally stinks!! My neighbor smokes about 20-30 cigarettes a night. The smell is overpowering. I pay an ungodly amount of money to die from lung cancer.

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  47. June 28, 2007 at 2:58 pm, Guest said:

    I agree with all the non-smokers. I moved into an apartment which had previously rented to chain smokers!! I was told otherwise by management.I have cleaned, bleached the walls. To make matters worse, the people next door are chain smokers and NEVER open windows or doors. My kitchen and AC vents are now consumed with smoke. The owners say that they are going to fix the problem,(which they claim comes form the attic). I am 8 months pregnant with and 9 yr old son whose is asthmatic and all my clothes and everything in my apartment is consumed with that trash. I do not trust that the problem will be fixed so I am moving, it sucks. I do not feel sorry for people who suffer from emphysema or any other smoke related illness, you all did it to yourselves!

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  48. July 09, 2007 at 2:58 am, Guest said:

    No you can’t get more custody. My ex husband tried to get full custody of my 2 boys, because I am a smoker. I have them, because the judge laughed in his face and told him that I was not a bad mother just because I smoked!!!!!! I know that some smokers can be rude, but that does NOT mean that all of us are. I have smoked all of my adult life. I respect non smokers. My children were not born with defects, nor were they ever sickly. My children are extremely healthy, and well cared for. How can most of the people posting here say that they are better than me, when most of what I read were name calling. I am tired of the discrimination against smokers. Where does it all end? I have researched a lot of the “So called” statistics about second hand smoke, and most of the findings are all lies. The so called scientific community is all smoke and mirrors. The government is trying to run our lives, and they give the public false readings on their study findings. If you do enough “research”, you might find the truth. I am not trying to offend anyone who posts here, but I’m sure that the name calling about me will start. I’m asking to stop the hate before you know the person.

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  49. July 09, 2007 at 3:01 am, Guest said:

    I know that some smokers can be rude, but that does NOT mean that all of us are. I have smoked all of my adult life. I respect non smokers. My children were not born with defects, nor were they ever sickly. My children are extremely healthy, and well cared for. How can most of the people posting here say that they are better than me, when most of what I read were name calling. I am tired of the discrimination against smokers. Where does it all end? I have researched a lot of the “So called” statistics about second hand smoke, and most of the findings are all lies. The so called scientific community is all smoke and mirrors. The government is trying to run our lives, and they give the public false readings on their study findings. If you do enough “research”, you might find the truth. I am not trying to offend anyone who posts here, but I’m sure that the name calling about me will start. I’m asking to stop the hate before you know the person.

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  50. July 10, 2007 at 10:18 pm, Guest said:

    You’re right – people are likely going to call you names. I can think of a few. You don’t present a single fact to back up your “Lies! It’s all lies!” theory. I guess because you are saying it, it must be true. I wouldn’t believe that from a smoker. If you ask me, it is only people with lower intelligence who start smoking in the first place. The even dumber ones get addicted. The really, really dumb ones die of lung cancer. I say good riddance to all of you. The only regret I have is that my tax dollars are paying for your damn hospital care as you choke your last breath through a tube. Sad.

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  51. July 10, 2007 at 10:26 pm, Guest said:

    For real? Farting is as harmful as cigarette smoke? Um, last time I checked, methane gas was just that – methane. It doesn’t contain toluene, tar, cadmium, ammonia or any of the other toxic substances that cigarette smoke does. You absolutely epitomize the brainless loser I picture in my head every time I smell that disgusting stench of smoke as I sit here in my apartment. Way to go, I have to go vomit now.

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  52. July 19, 2007 at 1:25 pm, Guest said:

    How can you compare cigarette smoke to the consumption of alcohol? If you consume alcohol, you are hurting nobody but yourself, however with cigarette smoke, you affect everyone around you. You do not have the right to do that. You choose to live this inconvenient lifestyle, now deal with the restrictions placed on you.

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  53. August 07, 2007 at 10:12 pm, Guest said:

    We bought our townhouse 2 years ago and we love it. The community is quiet, well landscaped and fresh air has never been a problem. Then last year, this woman moved in to my next door and she smokes.

    I do not even know what she is smoking. We can never open the window to enjoy fresh air in spring and fall. She has all those parties and with friends smoking, drinking, laughing under our window till 3 am.

    She usually smokes on her deck, it’s outside, it’s her property, but the smoke goes everywhere. If she has the right to do so, then what about my right to enjoy the non-smoke air? Can anyone suggest anything I can do, besides selling the house and moving again?

    If I do have to look for a new house, then how can I make sure no current neighbor or future neighbor be a smoker?

    What can I do?

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  54. August 11, 2007 at 12:49 am, Guest said:

    Tobacco products illegal ? …I live in canada, I have presently problems with people in adjacent apartments who are smokers. I have spoken with them and with friends who are also smokers, and something surprising was said to me… they say that they think that the great majority of smokers wish that smoking should be illegal! They feel that society is inconsistent and illogical by knowing and saying that tobacco smoke is extremely lethal to everyones health and at the same time keeping it legal… It makes sense, and also smokers say that they would like to stop smoking… and at the end what they need is the nicotine. So really smokers are addicts to nicotine, and this legal drug is killing not only smokers but also second hand smokers. Who is benefiting from this drug sale, and what should societies around the world do to help ?… Make the consumption and selling of tobacco illegal, smokers are asking for this surprisingly I am realising and it is not so surprising a conclusion, it makes perfect sense. Making tobacco sale and consumption illegal would not be attacking smokers it would be helping them, this is what heavy smokers independently told me.

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  55. August 19, 2007 at 12:46 pm, Guest said:

    I live in a small apartment that now is highly infested with smoke. My neighbors below me moved in 6 months ago. Since day 2 the smoke has been sitting in my apartment. All 3 of them smoke. They never leave the apartment. And, never open the windows. Plus! They have 3 cats. They probably don’t realize that they are not only harming themselves, me, my dog, they are possibly giving there cats feline nasal cancer. I addressed the issue numerous times with the manager. Only to get the answer of “I’ve never heard of such”. Well, they expect ME to move. After I was here 1st, I spent $ on painting, I spents $ on air purifiers, ect. I HAVE TO MOVE. I now have serious health problems. My small dog now has asthma.I can’t even get the manager to come to my apartment to see that I am correct. It’s not that I care if they smoke or not. It’s that I care if I and my dog live.

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  56. August 24, 2007 at 9:59 pm, Guest said:

    “But what if your neighbors are smokers? Even if they smoke outside, the smoke might migrate into your living space through cracks around doors or windows or in ventilation system, posing a threat to your health.”

    AHAHAHAH this made me laugh SO hard. are you people serious? pathetic. absolutely pathetic.

    some reading for you:

    http://www.journaloftheoretics.com/Editorials/Vol-1/e1-4.htm

    and just a final note. Lets try not to encourage the creation of a nanny state. I really don’t like what is happening to freedom, not only in regards to this topic, but alot of the things i am seeing and hearing recently wreak of old fashioned fascism.

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  57. August 24, 2007 at 10:12 pm, Guest said:

    “Alcohol in moderation has been proven to be a healthy consumption”

    please refrain from making absurd remarks without a reference. If I told you eating yogurt can make you invisible would you believe me? In future, if you are making a claim to debunk someone elses, give a reference for your “facts” otherwise what you say is meaningless.

    “For every 8 smokers who DIE of LUNG CANCER…one nonsmoker will DIE too due to second hand smoke”

    Firstly i must point out the amount of smokers who die of lung cancer is very low. Percentage wise that is. I shall not divulge too much but here is a paper written on that very topic:

    http://www.journaloftheoretics.com/Editorials/Vol-1/e1-4.htm

    Smoking is only one of the risk factors involved in developing lung cancer. It alone is NOT a CAUSE for lung cancer. This is a blatant lie.

    Lastly, here are some interesting reads for you who still insist on demonising smokers with less than strong arguments of the dangers of second hand smoke:

    http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/320/7232/417
    http://www.forces.org/evidence/download/fennel.pdf
    http://www.forces.org/evidence/files/passmok2.htm
    http://www.cato.org/dailys/9-28-98.html

    I apologise that some of studies amount to 7 years old, but it is very hard finding information on the net that is supported by facts, rather than blatant scaremongering and perpetration of old myths without the facts to back them up. Im sure if you did some more research you could find some more RECENT studies that are just as reliable.

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  58. August 29, 2007 at 8:55 pm, Guest said:

    I agree that not all smokers are rude. However, we just moved into a small apartment complex with 3 units. We live on the bottom floor, there is a family on the top floor, and a couple in a little one bedroom on the side of the building. Neither my husband, or I smoke. However, my WHOLE home reeks of cigarette smoke. This wouldn’t bother me so much, but we have 2 small children, one of which has struggled with RSV since he was 4 months old. It is his room that is the worst. Especially at night when the people upstairs are home. We spent good money on an air purifier, but it doesn’t help. It doesn’t seem quite fair that we have to live like this. We asked before we moved in about people smoking and were told that only the couple that lived in the one bedroom smoked. They only smoke outside, so it’s not an issue. I’m just a little (OK, a lot) frustrated because I am trying to do the best I can for my family, and here we are stuck in a smoke infested home, which is not what we want. Any suggestions would be helpful to us! Thanks.

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  59. September 05, 2007 at 10:53 pm, Guest said:

    It’s obvious that the only solution is for landlords to designate non-smoking in the leases. I just moved into an expensive apt., I smoke, and the guy upstairs is complaining. The lease said nothing about no smoking. Now, who moves? My rent monies entitle me to certain rights, why are his more important than mine? I cannot smoke inside or outside. However, I do not wish to subject a non-smoker to my smoke so I don’t smoke in my new home. I wish I’d known before I moved in . . .

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  60. September 14, 2007 at 5:05 pm, Guest said:

    To: But what if your neighbors (comment)
    Wow, this comment really stuck me in a bad way. I recently moved into my apartment – it was probably built in the 1930s and there are tons of cracks in the walls and windows. When the people below us smoke on their balcony, it wakes me up in the middle of the night – our bedroom is consumed with smoke and the windows are closed. I cannot even hide under my sheets because the smell permiates through. I come home from work and our flat smells like we let someone smoke in our apartment. We try to burn insense and candles to hide the smoke. I notice that my throat is usually sore at night time too – this is highly unusual for me. I talked with my doctor and they informed me that we are indeed breathing in second hand smoke from this situation.

    This is a real scenario that happens. I’m assuming that our neighbor smokes on the balcony because he does not want his flat to smell like smoke – neither do I. He has chosen to take up a habit that effects other people than himself – he is the one who should make a change.

    Obviously the issue of smoking is a strong one for me and I have made the conscious decision to avoid the smoke by not frequenting smoking establishments. I should be able to have my home be a smoke free environment of my choosing as well.

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  61. October 04, 2007 at 2:51 pm, Guest said:

    There are a couple of towns in California thinking about banning smoking in apartments. Here is a poll for what you think: apopularitycontest.com/display_poll.php?ID=6283

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  62. October 14, 2007 at 7:54 pm, Guest said:

    yea… what about if you have three adults smoking outside constantly in an ajacent apartment and you cannot open one window. I do admit that I cannot smell nor am I bothered by the smoke when the windows are closed — so does that seem fair when I cannot open even one of five windows?

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  63. October 14, 2007 at 10:43 pm, Guest said:

    what the hell is this sh***? some freak smokes in his bathroom and my apt stinks like a pub and it’s ok? according to you I can shit in my house and let is stink there until the whole complex rotts and still it will be alright??? Bulls****

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  64. October 16, 2007 at 3:09 am, Guest said:

    I would like that, smoke free apartments,I wish they could do the same in Canada.

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  65. October 24, 2007 at 6:42 pm, Guest said:

    While I know you cannot stop a smoker from smoking, it really sucks that my family is harmed from it. I am an asthmatic ans I am nine months pregnant so I cannot take any medication for an attack. My neighbors smoke in the hallway next to my apartment so much that I have been hospitalized twice. The management does nothing but say, “as long as it is not in the apartment we don’t care” only because MY apartment is the one smelling of smoke. I come home to open my front door and it is literally cloudy from the nastiness. You should really do more research on an apartment on small items like this before renting. I have learned my lesson and possibly at the risk of my child

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  66. October 26, 2007 at 4:05 pm, Guest said:

    Yes, the apartment I live in is riddled with smoking neighbors too. While I can understand their addiction it seems that my health is worsening. I got a respiratory infection and breathing hurt for a while. My nose itches, mouth is dry and I have to constantly use rewetting eye drops. In the summer we tried to get fresh air, but secondhand smoke came through the windows everytime we left them open. Now its winter and my downstairs neighborlady stays in 24-7 and smokes. When I come home I smell smoke coming from everywhere! Its not just her. But she’s so reclusive that I never see her to say anything to her. I live in a 70 apartment/townhome style complex. Both the Managers smoke, so I don’t see how I’m going to get any relief other than getting an air filter till we can move. (it comes in through the bathrooms) Any suggestions? Now people tell me that no matter what, even if I own a home I’m never going to get away from secondhand smokers. This is very upsetting since my father died from lung cancer. I’m trying to get away from smoke. I live in Oregon and I voted for measure 50. If the smokers want to smoke, they should pay extra for it. I want to make it so hard that they all decide its not worth it!!!

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  67. October 26, 2007 at 5:51 pm, Guest said:

    I wish my neighbors smoked pot instead of tobacco. Then they might just mellow out (pass out?) and the smoke would stop. Instead, the sit of there a@@es all night and stink up the building.

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  68. November 24, 2007 at 7:39 pm, Guest said:

    It majorly sucks for me too I moved into this building in July 07 (there are 2 apartments per building) and specified that if we get a new person leasing above that I needed it to be a non-smoker as even the maintenance guys smoking outside infront of my a/c caused me to nearly pass out I couldn’t breathe and instantly felt like I had to throw up.
    The leasing office said yes to this.
    So last week a family moved in above us and now there is cig smoke coming in from all the vents I went to them and asked them to please smoke outside – they say no one smokes cept their elderly mother who does smoke only outside……..well aparantly not as it comes in all day, I have been so sick the past 3 days I have not been able to function I can’t breathe right and have been throwing up almost all day. With the holiday I have not yet been able to speak with the landlord but I am dying here and I don’t understand why they would do this to me when there are tons of units open. I just know I can’t afford to be in the hospital cause of second-hand smoke.

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  69. December 20, 2007 at 6:15 am, Guest said:

    I also live in Oregon and have health issues, and am currently breathing in my upstairs neighbor’s disgusting second hand smoke. I called the manager over a week ago to ask them if they could do something, and have not heard back. I have been feeling very nauseated and have flu like symptoms.. I plan on sending the property management a certified letter, explaining that my health is being compromised, that they have not taken any action since I first alerted them, and if no response, then another certified letter to them with documentation from my doctor. I really don’t want to move out of here, it’s real nice, so I hope they can fix the ventilation. Anyway, good luck to you—don’t give up…keep trying!!

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  70. January 06, 2008 at 2:20 pm, Guest said:

    I wish my neighbors smoked pot instead of tobacco. Pot smoke smells funky but fades quickly, as opposed to the lingering acrid reek of tobacco smoke that seems to soak into everything. Tobacco smoke, secondhand or otherwise, is also much richer in toxins like cadmium, polonium, and nitrosamines …

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  71. January 12, 2008 at 12:59 am, Guest said:

    That is considerate of you. I’d wager your neighbors right not to be subjected to second hand smoke trumps your right to subject both of you to the health risk.

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  72. January 23, 2008 at 6:18 pm, Guest said:

    you are an idiot. the website was about smoking causing cancer. we are talking about secondhand smoke here. to be honest, aside from the health risks, it f-in stinks. it stinks up everything it comes in contact with and the way i look at it if i do something that only affects me fine. if i wanna eat fast food burgers and gain a million pounds it is on me. if you smoke and your secondhand smoke comes into my apartment and stinks it up well then we have a problem. a right is a right when it doesn’t inflict something on someone else. i have been told to go elsewhere if i didnt like cigarette smoke. that is facist. i will reply by saying dont drive on the streets tonight because i am gonna drink and drive. come on dumbass cigarette smoke stinks and it causes you and everything around you to stink. just because you want to smell the stench doesn’t mean it should be inflicted on me and my private residence. keep the stench to yourself.

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  73. January 24, 2008 at 8:32 am, Guest said:

    I was just wondering if anyone knew if the smoke that is left on a person’s clothes can be harmful. For example, I share an office with two smokers. Our office is right by the back door and as soon as they come back in from smoking they smell so bad I have to leave my office. I can tell that they drag in the smoke. Is this something that is potentially harmful as second hand smoke?

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  74. January 30, 2008 at 8:19 pm, Guest said:

    In response to post”68649″, and to all others who would try to make the claim that second hand smoke is such a danger to all who come in contact with it, I would humbly suggest that you drop the pre-conceived notions, and dig into the facts of the matter.
    As a start, I would suggest that you thoughtfully and honestly consider the claims being made by the anti-smoking lobbyists. Such as the “fact” that 53,000 people die annually in the United States due to second hand smoke.
    This is a bald faced lie.
    Between 1959 and 1975, the hostilities in Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia claimed the lives of more than 58,000 Americans. Of those 58,000 I can name two that I personally knew and I know of scores of others who can name and knew several more than I did.
    And yet, NO ONE that I know can name even one person who has died from second hand smoke. Sixteen years of open hostility yielded 58,000 victims and I can name some, but miraculously, no one can name one of the 53,000 who are supposedly dying EVERY YEAR from second hand smoke. Don’t you find that odd?
    And if you want to make the claim that YOU can name someone, I’d like for you to provide a verifiable name, and a legitimate death certificate showing that the primary cause of death was due to E.T.S.(second hand smoke).
    Until then, I’d suggest you take a look at the following websites, and at least honestly consider the information being presented there.
    forces.org
    davehitt.com
    junkscience.com
    As far as being one of the “uneducated masses” who are duped by “big tobacco”, I offer this: I had the curriculum changed at a major research university (North Dakota State University) due to my own research into the blatant lies and disingenuous use of the “findings” of the metadata “research studies” as conducted by the World Health Organization (WHO) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA).
    If you’re still believing the media and the pseudo scientific “evidence” being bandied about on this subject, you’ve unfortunately been duped by the media and by pseudo science.
    This is called social engineering, and it has nothing to do with reputable science.
    Before you wholeheartedly believe what Katie Couric and others report on the news or the Today Show, it might be in your best interests to check the actual facts for yourself.
    The onus is not on me to prove that second hand smoke isn’t dangerous, the onus rests upon those who claim that it is. And, their findings have to be consistent with the rigors of the scientific method: Observable, testable, repeatable, and consistent with the findings of other scientists conducting the exact, same experiments. Within these strictures, the second hand smoke (E.T.S.) arguments fail the test of true, legitimate science.
    As for your claim that your tax dollars are paying for smokers in any way, you again are mistaken.
    But, the tax dollars of smokers are what are keeping your roads paved, and your public schools in operation.
    And by the way, before throwing out ad hominem attacks such as “If you ask me, it is only people with lower intelligence who start smoking in the first place. The even dumber ones get addicted. The really, really dumb ones die of lung cancer.”, your time might be better spent getting your education and your facts in order.

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  75. January 30, 2008 at 8:54 pm, Guest said:

    SECOND HAND SMOKE (AND MIRRORS)
    I am posting this twice in the hopes that it will get a fair hearing and will be posted despite the fact that it isn’t politically or socially “correct” to defend the rights of those who smoke.

    In response to post”68649″, and to all others who would try to make the claim that second hand smoke is such a danger to all who come in contact with it, I would humbly suggest that you drop the pre-conceived notions, and dig into the facts of the matter.
    As a start, I would suggest that you thoughtfully and honestly consider the claims being made by the anti-smoking lobbyists. Such as the “fact” that 53,000 people die annually in the United States due to second hand smoke.
    This is a bald faced lie.
    Between 1959 and 1975, the hostilities in Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia claimed the lives of more than 58,000 Americans. Of those 58,000 I can name two that I personally knew and I know of scores of others who can name and knew several more than I did.
    And yet, NO ONE that I know can name even one person who has died from second hand smoke. Sixteen years of open hostility yielded 58,000 victims and I can name some, but miraculously, no one can name one of the 53,000 who are supposedly dying EVERY YEAR from second hand smoke. Don’t you find that odd?
    And if you want to make the claim that YOU can name someone, I’d like for you to provide a verifiable name, and a legitimate death certificate showing that the primary cause of death was due to E.T.S.(second hand smoke).
    Until then, I’d suggest you take a look at the following websites, and at least honestly consider the information being presented there.
    forces.org
    davehitt.com
    junkscience.com
    As far as being one of the “uneducated masses” who are duped by “big tobacco”, I offer this: I had the curriculum changed at a major research university (North Dakota State University) due to my own research into the blatant lies and disingenuous use of the “findings” of the metadata “research studies” as conducted by the World Health Organization (WHO) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA).
    If you’re still believing the media and the pseudo scientific “evidence” being bandied about on this subject, you’ve unfortunately been duped by the media and by pseudo science.
    This is called social engineering, and it has nothing to do with reputable science.
    Before you wholeheartedly believe what Katie Couric and others report on the news or the Today Show, it might be in your best interests to check the actual facts for yourself.
    The onus is not on me to prove that second hand smoke isn’t dangerous, the onus rests upon those who claim that it is. And, their findings have to be consistent with the rigors of the scientific method: Observable, testable, repeatable, and consistent with the findings of other scientists conducting the exact, same experiments. Within these strictures, the second hand smoke (E.T. S.) arguments fail the test of true, legitimate science.
    As for your claim that your tax dollars are paying for smokers in any way, you again are mistaken.
    But, the tax dollars of smokers are what are keeping your roads paved, and your public schools in operation.
    And by the way, before throwing out ad hominem attacks such as “If you ask me, it is only people with lower intelligence who start smoking in the first place. The even dumber ones get addicted. The really, really dumb ones die of lung cancer.”, your time might be better spent getting your education and your facts in order.

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  76. January 30, 2008 at 9:07 pm, Guest said:

    Amen.
    Your post may be a bit vitriolic, but on the whole, it is quite accurate.
    The hard science shows that the so called scientific/medical claims “proving” the dangers of tobacco smoke are blatantly and deliberately false.
    The claims of any health risks due to primary and secondary smoke evaporate under the barest of scrutiny.
    And the “nanny state” is, unfortunately, a sad reality.
    Keep up the good fight, maybe someday the truth rather than social engineering based on hype will win out.

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  77. January 30, 2008 at 9:16 pm, Guest said:

    And if your fat, burger consuming bottom keeps running into me, then we’ll really have a problem, won’t we?!?!?
    And the fetid smell of burgers coming from your apartment is a real issue to vegetarians. So, maybe you shouldn’t cook them at home. Because the smell is coming into my apartment, and it stinks!!!
    Think your argument through to its logical conclusion and you’ll see it is self-refuting.
    If anyone would take smoker’s rights, where and when does it end?
    Be very careful what of you wish for; it might just come true…

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  78. January 30, 2008 at 9:33 pm, Guest said:

    I can assure you, I’m quite rational, quite sane, and have done college level research into this issue.
    In response to your claim that “[no] rational person can argue with the scientific data that proves that second-hand smoke kills.”, I’ll offer a few sites of interest.
    http://www.journaloftheoretics.com/Editorials/Vol-1/e1-4.htm
    http://www.junkscience.com
    http://www.forces.org
    http://www.davehitt.com
    Read the material and thoughtfully and honestly consider what you find there.
    If you can honestly and scientifically prove that tobacco is such a threat, I’ll be the first to concede the point. But, if you cannot scientifically and honestly refute the evidence presented, you must concede the point and stop making such claims.
    Fair enough?

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  79. January 30, 2008 at 9:39 pm, Guest said:

    I’m afraid that what you’ll find here, friend, is a great deal of the attitude that goes along the lines of “Don’t confuse me with the facts, I’ve already made up my mind!”.
    Many people are rather quite irrational and unreasonable about this issue, and the facts will NOT change their minds.
    Eloquent post, by the way.
    Nicely done.

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  80. February 13, 2008 at 7:01 pm, Guest said:

    Oh my gosh, yes!!!

    It’s more dangerous than drunk driving, unprotected sex and obesity combined.
    More dangerous than falling out of a twenty-seventh floor window to the street below.
    More dangerous than methamphetamine.
    Why, from what I hear, it’s more dangerous than plutonium, uranium, lead, and mercury…
    Golly, I even have a friend whose neighbor’s uncle’s cousin’s pet dog said that his mother’s sister’s best friend’s television says that it’s more dangerous than being a soldier in Iraq. And that was just last Friday, too!!!

    But, let’s make this abundantly, overwhelmingly clear: It’s NOT more harmful than ignorance, stupidity, hubris and social engineering!

    The short answer to this profoundly disturbing and infinitely absurd question is:
    NO; it is NOT dangerous at all.

    And I challenge ANYONE to show hard, legitimate, scientific evidence that it is dangerous…

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  81. February 13, 2008 at 8:32 pm, Guest said:

    Methane is not toxic; however, it is highly flammable and may form explosive mixtures with air. Methane is violently reactive with oxidizers, halogens, and some halogen-containing compounds. Methane is also an asphyxiant and may displace oxygen in an enclosed space. Asphyxia may result if the oxygen concentration is reduced to below 19.5% by displacement.
    (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methane)

    Yep, methane is a wee bit on the dangerous side…

    Cadmium is considered to POSSIBLY be a carcinogen. (But, not PROVEN to be).
    Ammonia has NOT been classified as a carcinogen.
    Toluene has NOT been classified as a carcinogen.
    (http://www.quitsmokinghub.com/cigarette_ingredients.shtml)

    So, there it is. Non-Carcinogenic chemicals that you’re afraid of, as opposed to something volatile, explosive, and an asphyxiant. (By the way, asphyxia leads to death…)

    Send me my AFC (anti-farting campaign) T-Shirt as soon as(s) possible!!!

    I’m amazed that the anti smoking folks are so emotionally charged, angry and mean spirited.
    And yet for all of this, they cannot come up with a cogent, rational, reasonable, scientifically sound argument.
    Apparently, the only ammunition left to them is the ad-hominem attack.

    No surprises; this is only history repeating itself: The Nazis never had any legitimate scientific claim to back their beliefs about Gypsies, Jews, the handicapped, political dissidents, etc.
    They criticized, marginalized, and illegalized activities, beliefs and even ethnic groups.

    They took away the rights of others because they declared themselves to be right. Despite the clear EVIDENCE that they were completely WRONG.

    But still, if you repeat a lie often enough, say it loud enough, and silence any dissenting voices, the lie becomes the truth…
    And we saw how that worked out…

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  82. February 19, 2008 at 9:27 am, Guest said:

    Thank you for your splendidly sarcastic comment. I am a huge fan of sarcasm. However, whether second hand smoke is harmful or not, it sucks!!! It stinks and is extremely gross. Second hand smoke may not cause someone to suffer a life threatening illness, but there are people who have allergies where cigarette smoke makes them physically ill for the moment. I don’t have a problem with people smoking. I have a problem with people denying the fact that they smell bad and their world around them smells bad because of it.

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  83. February 20, 2008 at 10:16 am, Guest said:

    Please don’t take this reply personally, but I feel compelled to respond as this type of reply is so very indicative of the specious and vapid responses found here…

    I’ve challenged anyone to rebut my argument(s) based on hard science…
    And yet, you still insist on appealing to emotion rather than logic, reason, common sense and honest science to back your claims/feelings.
    Essentially, your argument still falls into the “It stinks, and I don’t like it, so it should be banned and eliminated” category…

    You said it yourself in your reply: “However, whether second hand smoke is harmful or not, it sucks!!! It stinks and is extremely gross.”. You further go on to say “Second hand smoke may not cause someone to suffer a life threatening illness, but there are people who have allergies where cigarette smoke makes them physically ill for the moment.”, which is also an appeal to emotion rather than scientific fact.
    And further, it’s an attempt to change the subject.
    Essentially, what you’re saying is: “It’s not life-threatening harmful, but it is harmful because of allergies”.
    Again, no scientific evidence presented, just an emotion laden OPINION.
    I have yet to find a competent allergist or internist who would be willing to subject a diagnosis of this kind (being “allergic” to cigarette smoke) to rigorous, scientific experimentation and peer reviewed critique. Smoke of any kind is an irritant, but smoke is in itself, not an allergen.
    The fact is, no-one can seem to draw any conclusion that exposure to cigarette smoke in-utero or outside the womb is even a contributing factor to increased susceptibility to actual allergens or asthma.
    http://pmj.bmj.com/cgi/content/abstract/76/901/694
    I’ll quote the paper here:
    “Maternal smoking is believed to increase asthmatic symptoms but its influence on the development of allergen sensitisation is debatable.”
    (Let me translate this for you: “We want to make the claim that smoking is hazardous, but we can’t find ANY hard evidence to back our claim”.)
    And further in the “RESULTS” section of the abstract, it goes on to say: “Maternal smoking did not increase allergen sensitisation at age 4 years. No effect of paternal smoking on asthma was observed in the children.”
    Re-read that; “did NOT increase allergen sensitisation”, and “NO EFFECT of paternal smoking on asthma was observed in the children.”.
    Well, go figure…

    Then you try misdirection, obfuscation, and changing the subject again with “I don’t have a problem with people smoking. I have a problem with people denying the fact that they smell bad and their world around them smells bad because of it.”
    I’ve not seen any post here claiming that smoking smells good.
    And obviously, you DO INDEED have issues with smoking and smokers; otherwise you wouldn’t be reading this page or responding at all. Only those with a vested stake in the issue (or a deep and abiding love for the truth) will bother to take the time to comment.

    The ultimate issue of importance is that a “class” of people are being subjected to having their rights slowly and systematically stripped from them based on the false argument that “second-hand” or E.T.S. smoke is harmful. I’ve presented evidence that it is not. I have yet to have anyone rebut what has been presented with any hard science to the contrary.
    Instead, I keep getting the same type of response: “I don’t like it, so therefore, smokers must change.”

    Allow me to posit a scenario that might further elucidate the issue(s) at hand:

    What if all of the vegans/vegetarians of the United States banded together and then decided to lobby Congress, fund dubious “scientific studies”, and come to the conclusion that the smoke and fumes from cooking beef “posed a threat to public health”, and then, as a consequence of this fraud, the beef consumers had to do their beef cooking and consuming outdoors, while simultaneously feeling as if they were a pariah and a blight to society for doing so?
    Then, what if the beef consumers found out that the reason that they were forced outside was based on a LIE?

    Sarcasm and a dose of justified vitriol over the situation might well be expected.

    Just a little something to keep in mind:
    Be careful of the rights you decide to trample upon; your rights might be next on the list…

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  84. February 20, 2008 at 10:28 am, Guest said:

    I’d like to see the medical reports authenticating and substantiating your claim that you were “deathly ill” due to second hand smoke.
    So many claims, so little facts, no documentation.
    Always a case of “Because I said so, that’s why!!!”.
    Always an overabundance of hyper-overblown emotional rhetoric, with nary a fact to back it…
    You might deal in opinions, I deal in facts.
    And facts have a way of winning out in the end…

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  85. February 20, 2008 at 12:28 pm, Guest said:

    If the lease (which is a legal and binding agreement), says nothing about not smoking, then it is your neighbor who either has to deal with the smoke, or move out. Unless explicitly stated in the lease, you do have the right to smoke in your unit.
    Your concern over the comfort of your neighbor is laudable and commendable, but his comfort should not in any way negate your rights.
    Sorry to those who disagree; but this is how it is and how it must be. You are protected by law in this matter. Someone’s comfort or discomfort does not put onus or obligation on you to abandon your rights in favor of their comfort.
    Appeal to law, not emotion.
    And if necessary, hire a competent lawyer and defend your rights vigorously.

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  86. February 20, 2008 at 12:52 pm, Guest said:

    You’d lose that wager.

    Any competent lawyer would be able to prove there is no risk to the other tenant, and further, since there is no stipulation in the lease forbidding smoking, smoking is most certainly allowed.

    forces.org/evidence/epafraud/files/damn.htm

    “The Court is faced with the ugly possibility that EPA adopted a methodology for each chapter, without explanation, based on the outcome sought in that chapter”

    To translate: The EPA made up the rules for each of their studies, with the intent of coming up with an outcome in each instance which would support their thesis; which is that “second-hand”, or E.T.S. smoke is a danger to public health.

    JUDGE OSTEEN’S ORDER

    Judge Osteen granted Plaintiff’s (the tobacco industry’s) motion for partial summary judgement, ordering that Chapter 1 to Chapter 6 and appendices in the EPA’s “Respiratory Health Effects of Passive Smoking: Lung Cancer and Other Disorders,” (December 1992), be vacated.

    According to Black’s Law, Fourth Edition, the term “vacated” means:

    To annul; to set aside; to cancel or rescind; to render an act void; as, to vacate an entry or record, or a judgement.

    In layman’s terms, Chapters 1 to 6 and appendices to that 1992 EPA secondhand smoke report no longer exist. Therefore, the following conclusions, as taken verbatim from Chapter 1, page 1, of the report, do not exist, and must be disregarded:

    THE EPA STATED:
    (“1.1 Major Conclusions:”)
    “Based on the weight of the available scientific evidence, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has concluded that the widespread exposure to environmental tobacco smoke (ETS) presents a serious and substantial public health impact.”

    THE US FEDERAL COURT RULED: VACATED

    THE EPA STATED:
    In adults: “ETS is a human lung carcinogen responsible for approximately 3,000 lung cancer deaths annually in the U.S. nonsmokers.”

    THE US FEDERAL COURT RULED: VACATED

    And yet, the media and their misinformed minions keep repeating the lies that second hand smoke is such a scourge and risk to public health.
    Do the legwork yourself, people, there is no excuse for being so miserably misinformed.

    Objective truth is the TRUTH; whether you agree with it or not…
    The laws of physics won’t change just because you want them to…

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  87. February 20, 2008 at 2:41 pm, Guest said:

    Not that you’re BITTER or anything…

    Maybe you should ask for your money back on your Oreck units; as they obviously aren’t living up to their advertised claims…
    Perhaps the air sanitizers from The Sharper Image would be more effective?

    Should we ship off anyone who disagrees with you about any other subject, also?

    How about a variation on your theme:
    They just have to pass a law for those who can’t posit a logical, sane, cogent, scientifically valid argument prohibiting them from posting about subjects they know nothing about, or getting them with a $500.00 fine, or ship them off to “I can’t stand the truth or the law, so I’ll make it up as I go along” island where they can kill one another with their obvious wit, education and erudition.

    Doesn’t sound too good, does it?

    Be very careful of wishing ill upon others, it may come back and bite you in the backside.
    After all, if you’re willing to trample someone else’s rights, who’s going to stand up for you when someone decides to trample upon yours?
    Don’t let emotion cloud your ability to reason.

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  88. February 21, 2008 at 3:20 pm, Guest said:

    Smokers, Shut Your Dumb Mouths!!

    Instead of reading the cheap website ramblings of sites like “journal of theoretics” and other nonsense sites with no scientific evidence to refute the overwhelming documented evidence of the ill effects of smoking (as cited by the AHA, ALA, CDC and ACC), check with the organizations I just mentioned to get a clearer, more accurate picture.

    For starters: http://americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=4545

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  89. March 02, 2008 at 1:44 am, Guest said:

    And again, the ad hominem attack…
    Shut my dumb mouth?
    Tsk, tsk, such anger, such vitriol…

    It’s obvious that you haven’t read any of the pages I’ve referred to which contain volumes of documentation at the sites which you refer to as “nonsense”. Sites which do in fact, offer cited, sourced, peer reviewed, scientific evidence.

    However, I did read the page you provided with all of the American Heart Association’s unsubstantiated claims.

    So, you believe the AHA is a non profit entity, with only our health and best interests at heart?
    Why then, is the United States Senate interested in investigating the ties between the AHA and the pharmaceutical industry?
    Check this out this document if you don’t believe me:
    http://www.senate.gov/~finance/press/Gpress/2008/prg012408a.pdf
    Or, if you’d prefer, here’s the html (from Google) version for you:
    http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:I_vr0mr76yAJ:www.senate.gov/~finance/press/Gpress/2008/prg012408a.pdf+www.senate.gov/~finance/press/Gpress/2008/prg012408a.pdf&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

    This is the same pharmaceutical industry that offers “nicotine replacement” therapies at great cost to consumers that simply don’t work…
    But please, don’t take my word on it, check out this link; it’s from a medical doctor and a philosophical doctor (Ph.D.) offering a well sourced rebuttal to the efficacy of nicotine replacement to the New England Journal of Medicine:
    http://www.data-yard.net/3/patc1.htm
    (This was published in The New England Journal of Medicine — October 7, 1999 — Vol. 341, No. 15)

    Now, allow me to quote the page from the AHA you referenced:

    QUOTE:
    “Cigarette smoking is the most important preventable cause of premature death in the United States. It accounts for nearly 440,000 of the more than 2.4 million annual deaths.”

    REBUTTAL:
    And yet, there is no reference to the study or studies verifying these numbers, no example of where these numbers come from at all.
    Without specific sources being cited, there’s no way to authenticate this claim.
    This is a claim with no substantiation.
    Now, amazingly (according to this page you cited), the number of smoking related deaths per year is 440,000. And yet for all of this, I’ve not been able to authenticate even one death certificate that labels either primary or second hand smoke (or ETS) as the primary cause of death. And still, as of this writing no-one has been able to give me the name(s) of anyone that I can verify as having died from smoking. (And please don’t even go down the Heather Crowe avenue, because that story is quite frankly, an easily provable FRAUD!!!)

    QUOTE:
    “Many studies detail the evidence that cigarette smoking is a major cause of coronary heart disease, which leads to heart attack.”

    QUESTIONS/REBUTTAL:
    Why are none of these “many” studies named or referenced?
    With so “many” studies to choose from, you’d think that a reference in a footnote on the page wouldn’t be too much to ask for.
    Again, without specific sources being cited, there’s no way to authenticate this claim.

    Who CONDUCTED these studies?
    Do the claims include recommendations for changing social or public policy or changes in law? Research that includes social or political agendas are far more likely to express the researcher’s personal bias and beliefs than work that merely presents data and findings. This is why finding out who conducted a study is important. This is why objective, verifiable replication by other studies is very important.

    Who FUNDED these studies?
    Are these studies (including all data and methodology employed to reach these conclusions), available for examination, authentication and replication? If not, then the researcher is asking us to accept their word for their findings, with no EVIDENCE offered to support those claims.
    Beyond this, knowing who paid for a study usually gives a fair clue as to the direction of bias under which a study was conducted.

    What was the METHODOLOGY used to determine the causative (rather than correlative) factors linking cigarette smoking, coronary heart disease and heart attack(s)?
    Remember: Correlation does NOT equal causation.

    These are just a couple of examples that I’ve culled from the page you offered. There is much more that I could go after to show that the page you offered was nothing more than social engineering and propaganda, and not scientific evidence. It is a page designed to convince you by offering “because we said so” as evidence, rather than actually presenting any real, scientific evidence.

    Neither your opinion, nor my opinion, nor even their opinion matters; what matters is the TRUTH.
    What can be proven is the truth. All else is merely speculation and opinion.

    I’ve offered in several posts on this page web sites to go to with well sourced, peer reviewed, highly documented, verifiable, scientific evidence that runs contrariwise to the propaganda and the “you must believe it because we said so” approach of the AHA, ACS, EPA, WHO, CDC, etc.

    AND YET, NO ONE HAS OFFERED A SCIENTIFIC REBUTTAL TO ANYTHING THAT I HAVE OFFERED!!!

    If you, dear responder, have actually gone to the journal of theoretics, or forces.org, or davehitt.com, or junkscience.com pages, and have found the data there in error, or scientifically fraudulent, dubious or invalid, then by all means, rebut the evidence that is presented there.

    Don’t offer an OPINION, or more propaganda; offer a rational, reasonable, scientifically valid and defendable REBUTTAL to the information that I’ve provided.

    Unless and until you can, perhaps it is you who should shut your mouth…

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  90. March 02, 2008 at 2:58 am, Guest said:

    Your argument is logically self refuting:

    You say “The bottom line is that people have a right to make some choices–they do NOT have a right to impose their choice on others”.

    Your choice is that smokers not smoke, or not smoke near you. Which implies that smokers should quit, or smoke outside, or move out of your building, or smoke anywhere other than near you.

    That is imposing your choice on others.

    Why are your rights to be taken as being “more equal” than that of smokers? Cars are also dangerous, if we follow your claim to its logical conclusion, then that would mean that since cars are dangerous, no one should be able to drive near you, either.

    Your rationale and your facts are equally flawed when you state that people have a right to make SOME choices.
    No, they can make all their own choices, because they are the most qualified to make their own choices, you’re not, and neither am I. And most certainly the government is the least qualified to make choices for people.

    You might appeal to science, but if you take an objective look at the solid, scientific evidence presented at such websites as
    http://www.davehitt.com
    http://www.forces.org
    http://www.junkscience.com
    you’ll find that your appeal to science will leave you wanting for any strong evidence that primary or second hand smoke is such a public health threat.
    The real, “hard” sciences show that it is not.
    Social sciences claim it to be dangerous, but physical science shows otherwise.
    You also claim that second hand smoke (and by implication the smell of smoking) is dangerous, I’d ask you to provide scientific facts to back your claim. Until you can prove your case, it is “just annoying”.

    You might appeal to the idea of the law; so will I.
    If and/or when smoking becomes illegal, then you might have a claim, but until then, you have your opinion.
    Unless and until the laws of science, the laws of legal jurisprudence and the legal, binding contract of a lease says otherwise; smokers have every right to smoke in their homes, PERIOD.

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  91. March 04, 2008 at 7:15 pm, Guest said:

    I don’t know, does it seem fair that smokers have to go outside to smoke? Based on the dubious (at best) claims that second hand smoke is dangerous?
    How about opening any one of the other four windows?
    Would you prefer if they were firing bullets?
    Would you prefer if they were doing drugs?
    Would you prefer if they were screaming vulgarities?
    Would you prefer if they were obnoxiously, staggeringly drunk?
    Would you prefer if they threw loud parties or rang your door buzzer at 3 in the morning?
    Would you prefer if they and their guests engaged in fist fights in the hallways?
    Would you prefer if they were leering at you through the window?
    Would you prefer if they were uttering threats toward you and the ones that you love?

    Apparently, you live in an apartment where your primary concern is over an odor, rather than some of the places I’ve lived, where all of the above happened to my wife and I (in supposedly “good” apartment complexes).
    Count your blessings.

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  92. March 04, 2008 at 7:56 pm, Guest said:

    “[H]e is the one who should make a change”
    Why?
    Why are your rights more important than those of your neighbor?
    “I recently moved into my apartment – it was probably built in the 1930s and there are tons of cracks in the walls and windows.”
    Tons of cracks in the walls and windows, and still, you CHOSE to move in.
    No-one forced you to.
    You had every right to choose not to move into that apartment.
    Now that you have, should everyone have to abandon their rights in favor of your comfort?
    “I should be able to have my home be a smoke free environment of my choosing as well.”
    Next time, you should choose an apartment building that is smoke free.
    And actually,YOUR home IS smoke free. The problem is that now you want your neighbor’s house to be smoke free, too.
    For as much as I see people complain that smokers are interfering with their lives here, it’s amazing to me that non-smokers are completely blind and oblivious and completely uncaring about how their behavior affects others. And I’m equally amazed at just how childish and selfish they sound; “Everyone else should change, ’cause I want everything to be MY way!!!”
    Pure solipsism at its finest…

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  93. March 04, 2008 at 8:20 pm, Guest said:

    Get very, very wealthy, and buy your own secluded island!

    Otherwise, you might have to deal with smoke and pollen and pollution and noise and neighbors and all sorts of irritating things…

    Like Sinatra said; “That’s life”.

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  94. March 04, 2008 at 8:37 pm, Guest said:

    Are you sure?
    Have you ever been to a rendering plant?
    That would certainly change your mind…

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  95. March 04, 2008 at 8:44 pm, Guest said:

    And the “Mother Teresa” humanitarian of the year award goes to…

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  96. March 04, 2008 at 8:57 pm, Guest said:

    Could there possibly be any other source of your discomfort?

    How is it that people can actually smoke, and they’re not effected this way, yet others claim that they “nearly pass out”, they “can’t breathe”, and “instantly feel like they have to throw up”?
    Could this be hysteria, hypochondria, and/or psychosomatic?

    Any medical doctor care to weigh in on these claims?

    As a psychology major, I’m totally fascinated by the claims made here…

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  97. March 04, 2008 at 9:16 pm, Guest said:

    They didn’t promise you new carpet.
    They promised they would remove the odor, but did you GET IT IN WRITING?
    Did they specifically outline in writing and sign the document stating exactly WHAT they would do to remove the odor?
    You had the opportunity on your move in day to refuse to move in due to the management not living up to their promises of odor removal – IF you got it in writing.
    Otherwise, no; they’re not obligated to provide you with new carpet or anything else outside of what is outlined in the lease.
    And unfortunately, yes, they have the right to raise your rent if they provide you with new carpet.
    You moved into the apartment accepting the condition that you found it in, which limits your recourse in this matter.

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  98. March 12, 2008 at 12:59 pm, Guest said:

    In response to #77819. You need to lighten up. You read too much into the things that people say. I am sympathetic with both sides of the issue. I do not wish to see smoking banned, however cigarette smoke is bothersome to some people. I think that both sides could be a bit more considerate to one another. Whether there is scientific evience or not about the effects of second hand smoke is not the issue. Non smokers should respect someone’s choice to smoke and vise versa. Oh, and your scenario was a bit lame. I mean no offense, but please. Is that the best you could come up with? Obviously you smoke and are grasping at straws.

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  99. April 01, 2008 at 1:05 pm, Guest said:

    As a former smoker, I agree with everyone who talks about it being stinky, stinky, stinky. And it sucks! Well, the only time I like the smell is when I am very tired from not getting enough sleep–then I am reminded of the pick-me-up I got from those terrible things. I was a teenager with low self esteem and that’s partly why I started at age 13 (quit at age 24 and never looked back). You can’t argue with nasty, stinky, and horrible. However, I agree to some extent, that I should have remembered about living in a complex of any kind (and even close living neighbors) that smoke is usually there. I also don’t eat red meat and yet find myself living with meat eaters. So I take responsibility for moving in with them. I guess maybe I should move to Belmont, CA (a mere 45-50 miles away) to live in a smoke free apartment or townhouse complex. The only other thing is to live in a smoke free house away from other housing, period. Good luck to everyone in getting away from that nasty cigarette smoke and help your children to never pick one up in the first place!

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  100. April 15, 2008 at 12:28 am, Guest said:

    It seems to me you need to get your facts in order, all you have done is present what seems to me to be your own personal opinion, while you speak of facts I have yet to see any. I have seen time and time again babies being born at low birth weights and developing asthma due to the mothers smoking while pregnant and then continuing to smoke around their children after birth. These are friends and family, no fictional characters here. I have had several family members die of cancer from smoking, you cannot say that smoking is good for you, it is a poison, a toxic mixture you put in your body, and while it may be your choice to put it in your body, it is my choice to not, and to not have my children exposed to it. I have read plenty of research on the matter, not to mention spoken with several doctors, and they all concur that smoking is bad for you, and it doesnt take a rocket scientist to then show that second hand smoke is just as bad for you, if not worse because the smoke off the tip of a cigarette is not filtered, unlike the smoke the smoker inhales. It is true that ones genetics play a major role, since one person may smoke all their life and have no problems, and another person do the same and end up with COPD, or lung cancer, but you cannot just look at a person and tell whose genetics will have problems with smoke and whose will not. Therefore you should not smoke around anybody who does not want to be around smoke, because how do you know whether or not that particular person will have health issues from the smoke or not? You cannot assume because you do not have problems, or that people you know do not have problems,that no one does. What about the rest of the world? Surely you do not know that many people? Just because no one you know has issues, how can you say that that means no one does? Where is the logic in that?

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  101. April 17, 2008 at 1:41 am, Guest said:

    Smokers should just take a short-cut and blow their brains out, since their attempt at a slow suicide is just making no-smokers fairly suffer along the way.

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  102. April 23, 2008 at 8:33 pm, Guest said:

    What bugs me is my apartment manager made me sign a special addendum to my lease promising that I’d keep my cat’s litter box clean to keep the place “healthy and odor free.” When I complained about all my new neighbors’ secondhand smoke (just as or more unhealthy and smelly as the litter box) coming into my apartment and affecting my breathing,she said, “We can’t regulate what people do in their own apartments.” She wouldn’t even consider “smoke-proofing” measures.

    My lease is up in three months and I’m outta here. They’re losing a tenant who’s always had her rent paid on time and will be leaving my apartment in better condition than when I moved in. Believe me,they’re going to know why I’m moving! The only way we’re going to avoid secondhand smoke in apartments is to get more people to protest.

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  103. May 06, 2008 at 11:16 am, Guest said:

    Im sorry to hear all these stories about being exposed to second hand smoke.

    I too live in an apt with a smoker directly under me..I complained to him and the apt manager. The apt manager suggested I move into another apt. Ive been living here for almost 20 years..the smokeing tenant, less than 5. Guess what? the apt manager smokes too. SMOKERS ARE ADDICTS, AND THEY DONT CARE.

    Some of my neighbors are getting the smell of the smoke as wel. It reaches all over the building. I found cracks and electical outlets were letting the smoke in..I taped, glued, wrapped duct tape around exposed electrical cable wires. The smoke seeps in any any..but its not as bad as before..My oreck air filter goes 24-7.

    I discovered using the best air purifier possible. Start using eucalyptus essential oil, lavender or rose mary..Those herbal oils helps clean the air. I did a little research on this. Dont use aresol sprays..that’s almost as worse as the second hand smoke.

    I live in Los Angeles. I complained about it. They accually said their is nothing in place to help with the sencond hand smoke in inside living spaces. So backward. It makes sense that they pass a no smoking ordinace in public places but yet allow the same smokers to come home and blow around their toxic stinky air and annoy home life.

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  104. May 12, 2008 at 6:48 pm, Guest said:

    My guess is that the person who wrote “I’d like to see the medical” either is a smoker or has never experienced the effects of smoke. I actually do have medical proof that second hand cigarette smoke causes me breathing problems, partly because I have asthma. I know of at least a dozen people who have medical charts that prove that second-hand smoke has caused ongoing and very serious medical conditions, such as bronchitis. Don’t believe me? You don’t have too, it’s a fact supported by the medical field:
    http://www.emedicinehealth.com/bronchitis/page2_em.htm#Bronchitis%20Causes

    Second hand smoke has been clearly documented to cause many health problems, including death, so being ill from it, or even “deathly ill” is both realistic and documented. These facts have been around a long time, take a look at any medical website or book, I included one above just in case you don’t want to take the five seconds to look one up for yourself.

    So there you go, facts that second hand smoking causes very serious illness.

    Facts aside, I am personally very tired of smokers believing that they should be given privileges that are greater than those around them. The rest of us don’t want our apartments or clothes to smell like smoke, and we don’t want to breathe it either. I don’t believe smokers should have the right to compromise everyone else’s health.

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  105. May 28, 2008 at 10:02 am, Guest said:

    Yes, smokers are losing their rights to smoke almost everywhere, except the most important place to non-smokers. Around their homes. I would much rather you smoke in some bar with a bunch of other smokers then smoke in the apartment underneath me. If you’re smoking in a public place, I can just leave. An apartment is completely different. I moved from my last apartment and one of the reasons was the cigarette smoke that was always lingering there, and guess what? I have the SAME problem in my new place. Cigarettes need to be banned altogether. I guarantee, if cigarettes didn’t bring in so much money to the government, they would be banned.

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  106. June 04, 2008 at 2:45 pm, Guest said:

    This is something I absolutely HATE! I live in an apartment with my 9 week old baby girl and the people underneath us, and two apartments directly next to us, all smoke! I can never leave my windows open and the rare cases I do open them I have to constantly be on the lookout for one of the neighbors on a smoke break. What’s worse is that sometimes the smoke even comes in through the door seal. I’m constantly smelling it and worrying about the health of my baby. And what really upsets me is all these people know we have a small baby living here and nothing has changed–the girl directly next door has said she would smoke away from the apartment seeing as how she’s only a door away but at all hours of the day AND night she still continues to smoke outside her door. How rude is this? I find it so very inconsiderate that people don’t have the common sense and decency to think for themselves that they may be harming others with their disgusting habits. It would be like me going outside once an hour and spraying pesticide in the air and having it enter THEIR windows and doorways. I see no difference. I agree that smoking should be forbidden in apartment complex because of the close living quarters to other people who want to keep their health intact!!!

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  107. June 24, 2008 at 10:44 pm, Guest said:

    My neighbors chain smoke cigsrettes, cigars and some kind of rancid chemical smelling odor permieates the air almost every day and all night long.
    We get next to no sleep,
    We have pucked, we get dry heaves,have buring breathing, our belonnings and bedding stink now of rancid smoking odors.
    We have talked to the management, and they say that there is nothing they can do for they have called our surrounding neighbors, and everyone says that they do not smoke.
    As soon as we have the money, we are now going to just leave this building and move despite a newly signed lease.
    Screw the rent… we now need money to get the hell outta here!!
    If any person whom smokes thinks that it is not bad for others to breathe, you are dead wrong!!!
    My father died from smoking,it caused such terrible coughing spells, my uncle died from smoking, and when I was a kid and my father smoked in our apartment, and I used to get such ear infections and headaches.
    It is only one of the worst things you could do to yourself and others around you.
    I wish it was banned from multi-unit buildings!
    I wish they would just make it illegal!!!!
    We are so miserable now living here…
    It is ruining our life!

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  108. June 24, 2008 at 11:29 pm, Guest said:

    My neighbors chain smoke cigsrettes, cigars and some kind of rancid chemical smelling odor permieates the air almost every day and all night long.
    We get next to no sleep,
    We have pucked, we get dry heaves,have buring breathing, our belonnings and bedding stink now of rancid smoking odors.
    We have talked to the management, and they say that there is nothing they can do for they have called our surrounding neighbors, and everyone says that they do not smoke.
    As soon as we have the money, we are now going to just leave this building and move despite a newly signed lease.
    Screw the rent… we now need money to get the hell outta here!!
    If any person whom smokes thinks that it is not bad for others to breathe, you are dead wrong!!!
    My father died from smoking,it caused such terrible coughing spells, my uncle died from smoking, and when I was a kid and my father smoked in our apartment, and I used to get such ear infections and headaches.
    It is only one of the worst things you could do to yourself and others around you.
    I wish it was banned from multi-unit buildings!
    I wish they would just make it illegal!!!!
    We are so miserable now living here…
    It is ruining our life!

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  109. July 04, 2008 at 2:06 pm, Guest said:

    Quit complaining, all you better-than-everyone-else non-smokers. Take some responsibility for your own choices.

    Before you rent an apartment ask if the building is non-smoking.

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  110. July 09, 2008 at 4:38 pm, Guest said:

    In regards to “quit complaining all of you”, it is very very HARD to find a non-smoking apartment, I have also rented DOZENS of apartments in my past that allowed smoking and I and I NEVER had such a horrible expierience as I do now.
    My newish neighbor above me smokes cigs and cigars, AND DENIES IT! And some kind of stanky crack or something permiates our place ALL NIGHT AND DAY LONG, and late at night and all night there is also some very strong gass-like smell along with this rancid stanky odor permeating our ENTIRE apartment!
    We can’t sleeep, Air purifier and ionozer does nothing, air freshners do next to nothing, open windows with fans only suck in the rancid air from the outside, HomeMedics Brethe air purifier with essence oils mask the smell somewhat in the bedroom only and the oils go fast in one day and are so expensive. that we cannot keep affording them… that is how bad it is!
    I am going to call the Fire Dept. tonight to try to see what this odor and gass smell is, for I feel it might be dangerous to breath and it nmaybe very flammable to boot!
    NO it is NOT coming from another source in our building, we do not use gas stoves, and it only happens late and all night, AND we hear them walking around all night upatairs when this goes on.
    We do not have anyone living downstrairs or on the sides of us, only these new people upstair right above us that have lived here in the past few months since this all started.
    If I had the money, I would have been out byeaterday despite a lease, this is SO depressing!!

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  111. July 26, 2008 at 11:54 pm, Guest said:

    I vehemently disagree. There is no constitutional right to smoke, None. Smoking is not protected by the US Constitution. So you have no rights.

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  112. July 28, 2008 at 9:03 pm, Guest said:

    Ok, I dont know who the person is who keeps commenting on “smoking not bad” but they are an idiot! There are TONS of studies that show smoking and second hand smoke is bad for your health. And your rights you keep talking about…Give me a break! What about the non-smokers rights? The right to not get cancer, or asthma or freaking die become some smoker was TOO SELFISH or TOO FOOLISH not to care about a fellow human being? I am VERY glad I live in Florida where they banned smoking from restaurants and some hotels. They banned it from public businesses and buildings too. And I will 100% support them banning it in apartment buildings. I DO live in an apartment building and my neighbor is a smoker. I only moved in a couple weeks ago and and VERY unhappy because I was told everyone in my building is a non-smoker. I have a 5 year old daughter and I DO NOT want her to be around second hand smoke. I will take my landlord to court if they do not fix the issue.

    Oh, and BTW, Mr. or Mrs. Know it All….your postings on smoking while pregnant DISGUST ME! I think people who do that should not even have the right to have children!! To put your childs heath at risk!! That is shameful!!! I suppose you think its ok to do drugs and drink alcohol while you are pregnant too huh?

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  113. August 05, 2008 at 2:52 pm, Guest said:

    >>>>How is it that people can actually smoke, and they’re not effected this way, yet others claim that they “nearly pass out”, they “can’t breathe”, and “instantly feel like they have to throw up”?
    Could this be hysteria, hypochondria, and/or psychosomatic?<<<<

    No. Everyone is different, and may react differently to the poison of smoke. What may seemingly have no effect on one person could be seriously impacting another. Also, simply because one may not experience immediate or noticeable effects from secondhand smoke, that does not neccessarily mean it is not effecting them.

    I know from experience that it can be EXTREMELY stressful when one cannot breathe normally due to secondhand smoke. The stress only serves to exacerbate the problem. But it is not hypochondria, or reacting in a psychosomatic manner. It creates a REAL, physical distress, not to mention stress on the lungs and body from having to work harder. For some people it can be extremely severe, especially people with asthma. That is why asthmatics need inhalers.

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  114. August 05, 2008 at 3:07 pm, Guest said:

    For me, the whole issue basically boils down to this. Tobacco smoke, in whatever shape or form is POISON. And NO ONE should be forced to breathe in another person’s poison, period. That is why it should be illegal!

    I doubt that any smoker would say that they have the right to go around with needles injecting nicotine into people. The only difference between that and smoking around non-smokers who do not want to breathe in secondhand smoke is the stick of the needle.

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  115. August 17, 2008 at 4:23 am, Guest said:

    try living next door to a heavy smoker who saturates the hall with smoke and gives you sleepless nights and coughs and then take all your intellectual facts and shove them up where the sun doesn’t shine.

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  116. August 28, 2008 at 8:31 pm, Guest said:

    I don’t get why people keep trying the “smoking is dangerous to your health” avenue. I don’t care if it is, but scientific evidence can be skewed to support one or the other point of view. In truth, it is a nuisance, which according to common law is a tort (wrongdoing). Smoking makes it hard for people (see: me) to enjoy their property (see: my apartment), and that constitutes a nuisance. Why not just make a class action suit against smokers/tobacco companies alleging that their product constitutes a nuisance? It works with cow manure and emissions from manufacturing plants, so why not with smoking? I know that would never work, but a guy can dream… (Also, I believe with a high degree of certainty that smoking is in fact unhealthy too).

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  117. September 03, 2008 at 2:13 am, Guest said:

    typical righteous addicted obnoxious smoker.
    I have lived in 3 different apartment buildings and have never smelled smoke, so a normal person would assume it would not penetrate a sealed apartment. My new building reeks of smoke,and I have never heard of a smokeless apartment complex. It does not exist in my state or I would have seen it advertised, and moved there. Do you really think that a tenant is required to inform management if they smoke, that is the most asinine thing I have heard. So because I pay good money for my apartment home and I have to suffer, and I do suffer. My only option is to make the smokers suffer also. by me creating a vile repulsive smell that will permeate the wall and ruin their health, a smell that totally ruins their everyday living experience just as mine is. So if the smokers do not like the retribution then they should have asked before hand if their smoke would permeate the walls and piss me off, and they should not have moved here.

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  118. September 03, 2008 at 2:30 am, Guest said:

    My home is my castle, so is yours. But if you are inconsiderate and stink up my home with cig smoke and make my life a miserable hell, then I am going to stink up your home with something else and make your life a miserable hell. Then you might consider being considerate.

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  119. September 03, 2008 at 2:56 am, Guest said:

    I urge all those affected by tobacco smoke to create your own noxious odour to make the uncaring smoker reconsider their harmful action. I have subjected my smoking neighbors to some acrid smells of, shit, rotten eggs, fish, mid-east cooking, since they have become schooled in offensive smells, that can ruin ones daily life, they have since become very considerate.
    Two even quit smoking.

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  120. September 11, 2008 at 10:41 pm, Guest said:

    Since I live in a tobacco State, the idea of having ‘smoke free’ units is absolutely absurd, even though smoking cigarettes causes (certain) death. The tobacco money talks, and health walks. My newest next door neighbor is about 85 lbs., chain smoker and has a hacking, honking cough that she belts out as early as 6AM and as late as midnight, that echoes across the complex. So far, I haven’t complained, but I think I will, as I could not use my balcony all summer because of her. If she’s still here next summer, I’m getting a box fan and pointing it in her direction, letting her not only kill herself with first hand, but also her own second hand smoke. It’s sad when non-smokers have to limit their activities and not use a balcony because of addicted people.

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  121. September 13, 2008 at 4:23 am, Guest said:

    If only they would put a ban on stupid, self-righteous ——–.

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  122. September 13, 2008 at 4:41 am, Guest said:

    Yeah, addicted people are so gross and you sound so smart. Thanks for the info on your neighbors weight, I’m guessing its relevant somehow. Your weight might be important too but you probably don’t want to talk about your own addiction. .

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  123. October 09, 2008 at 6:14 am, Guest said:

    For the person complaining about nonsmokers complaining about not being able to breathe inside their own home-I think I’ll let my dogs bark 24 hours a day non-stop so the neighbors will never be able to sleep. It’s my right to own barking dogs and if they don’t like it too bad.
    My neighbors smoke and I can’t breathe. My lungs are constricted and my sinuses are raw. But I suppose that’s their right so I can’t say anything even though it’s making me sick.
    Smoking should be illegal. Its a disgusting habit that is killing not only the smokers themselves but also anyone in their radius.

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  124. October 25, 2008 at 4:32 pm, Guest said:

    I am a smoker…When I moved into my apartment 6 months ago and signed the lease nothing was mentioned about smoking.
    Now someone has complained and they are trying to evict me. I live in Nebraska and evidentaly if someone complains about smoking you get evicted.
    I think that is a bunch of crap.
    Just today I received another warning about candles. Can’t burn candles either.
    What makes this all insane is that every apartment has wood burning fireplaces!!!
    If smoke bothers you, why would you move to an apartment with fireplaces?????

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  125. October 28, 2008 at 11:36 am, Guest said:

    Wow! Ignorance is bliss, huh?

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  126. October 28, 2008 at 11:40 am, Guest said:

    Cigarette smoke STINKS and is more harmful than a fireplace with proper ventilation. You could smoke outside instead of forcing everyone to smell your stink and inhale your cancer. I mean, come on, how selfish are you? My mom is dying of lung cancer. She was a smoker…it is a painful way to go.

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  127. October 28, 2008 at 11:42 am, Guest said:

    I agree!!

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  128. October 28, 2008 at 11:44 am, Guest said:

    Actually the low weight and hacking cough indicate that she probably already has lung cancer. The weight thing toughed a nerve with you, huh?

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  129. October 28, 2008 at 12:01 pm, Guest said:

    I take responsibility for my choices. Should I have to take responsibility for yours as well?!

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  130. October 28, 2008 at 12:08 pm, Guest said:

    Thank you for not subjecting your neighbor to your smoke. I only wish my new neighbors (who moved in a year after me) would choose to smoke outside. My apartment now smells like an ashtray and I have developed a chronic cough and there is nothing I can do but move at the end of my lease.

    I do think you should be allowed to smoke outside. A simple scan with your eyes should be enough to locate any open windows/vents and choose a location that is not underneath them. Smoking outside would seem like a reasonable compromise since you are considerate enough to have stopped smoking in your apartment/home.

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  131. October 28, 2008 at 12:17 pm, Guest said:

    Let me get this straight…you are challenging people to provide evidence that second-hand smoke is bad?! Hahahahahahahaha! You are an ignorant fool if you believe it is not. The evidence is out there and if you can’t find it, then I hope someone who has developed lung cancer due to your second-hand smoke sues you. No one is saying you can’t smoke (although suicide IS illegal), we’re just saying you can’t make us smoke too!

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  132. October 28, 2008 at 3:51 pm, Guest said:

    I have a right to clean air. You do not have a right to smoke. You have the freedom to choose to smoke. I choose not to smoke. Keep your cigarette smoke far away from me or I’ll shove that cancer stick up your —.

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  133. October 28, 2008 at 3:59 pm, Guest said:

    LOL! The plaintiff was the tobacco industry! What did expect! Misinformed, you call us?! Easily mislead you are.

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  134. October 28, 2008 at 4:10 pm, Guest said:

    It is amazing to me how ignorant you are. You do NOT have a RIGHT to smoke. You have the freedom to choose to smoke. Your choice to smoke in your home interferes with my RIGHT to breathe in my home. Go outside, away from open windows and vents and smoke all you like.

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  135. October 28, 2008 at 4:31 pm, Guest said:

    To: “Quit complaining, all you”:

    How about I rent the apartment under or above yours and drop a bunch of bug bombs every day.

    Bottom line: Smokers (and everyone else) have the right to do as they please in their own home until it infringes on the basic rights of others and/or the rights of other tenants to enjoy their homes. That means your rock band will have to limit their practice hours. Pets and children need to be controlled. Kitty litter boxes must be scooped on a regular basis because of the smell. Garbage must be removed on a regular basis so we don’t have bugs and rats. Murder is not permitted (basic right). The deer you shot during hunting season should not be strung from the ceiling and allowed to rot because it would smell and attract bugs and rats. Neighbors should be notified and allowed ample time to deal with bug bombs if they are necessary….etc.

    You see, certain freedoms and choices infringe on the RIGHTS of others.

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  136. November 01, 2008 at 1:03 am, Guest said:

    Why is it that people have the right to sue the federal government for the formaldahyde in the trailers they were given to live in as an emergency measure after Katrina, but some of you think that non-smokers have no right to expect the air in their own homes to be free of this and other carcinagenic chemicals? Personally, I’m completely in favor of designated non-smoking buildings or areas in apartment building that are divided by, say, fire walls.

    Now, concerning the “stanky” odor I’m hearing about from several commenters, does it smell like skunk and burning erasers? If so it may be a kind of cheap marijuana commonly called “skunk”. Don’t bother with the fire department. The way to handle this is to notify the local police and have them take care of it. If there’s a chemical smell constantly coming from the apartment they may be manufacturing crystal meth. Again you need to get the police involved. Acetone explodes! Ask them to bring the drug dogs with them. In some states, a reasonable suspicion that a tenant is using, selling, or manufacturing drugs or allowing someone else to in or from their unit demands that the manager immediately evict the offenders. Sometimes the offender does not have to have been arrested, charged or convicted. Most states have their laws online now and many are searchable. See what your state laws are.

    BTW, if you’ve been reading, fancy filters only remove smoke particles from the air; but do nothing to remove the deadly chemicals.

    As a person from a “mixed” family, I have compassion on both sides. Tobacco is very addictive to many and very dangerous to everyone exposed. Most all of the smokers I know (who aren’t youths) wish they had never started, have already tried to quit at least once and try to be considerate of the health of those around them. This doesn’t really need to be such a hot topic. The problem can be solved if everyone is willing to work at it.

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  137. November 01, 2008 at 8:42 am, Guest said:

    You truley are a “apartment” person.. total ——- —- ass..

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  138. November 10, 2008 at 11:05 pm, Guest said:

    First of all, you suck and secondly, who’s to stop some selfish idiot from holing up in his or her apt and doing whatever the hell they want until thrown out or carried? I do a lot of things to stay healthy that I can choose to do and control. I cannot control secondhand smoke coming into my apt or its deleterious effects. But a person who smokes can stop and maybe save his life and those of others who possibly have to live there, haven’t the considerable money it takes to move. Did these points ever cross your narrow mind?

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  139. November 17, 2008 at 2:37 pm, Guest said:

    Cigarette smoke is VASTLY more noxious than smoke from logs. Everybody has a right to live in an environment that is safe for them. Just because you have chosen to smoke does not mean that others need to be subjected to it, as well.

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  140. November 28, 2008 at 3:03 am, Guest said:

    I have recently been having really bad sinus problems, I’ve always had them, but since I moved to this apartment, they have grown worse, and take ages to calm down. I used to smoke, A LOT, but I prefer to run 45 mins per day, lift weights, and drink at weekends and party etc etc – but all in all, I’m trying to live a healthy life, which I’m finding hard to do because I’m smelling this nasty dirty smell coming from next door, an old man who smokes constantly, I can smell it outside his apartment, all over the hall ways of my apartment block. I wouldn’t care if it was just outside in the halls, but it isn’t, I can smell it when I’m weight training, I can smell it when I’m eating and it just smells like death. Now, if its just the smell that’s annoying, then I’ll live with it – but if its actually doing damage to my health, then I’m getting more and more peed off with it. I cant tell him to stop, but I cant see any holes in walls to block…the only thing I can think of is that we share the same plumbing for out sink in the kitchen.

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  141. December 09, 2008 at 12:25 pm, Guest said:

    So then if smokers have a right to smoke, and others do not want to have to breathe in their cigarette exhaust, how about someone invent something like an astronaut’s mask so that smokers can wear and exhale /inhale their own cigarette smoke on a constant basis? Wouldn’t they like that, since they already choose to directly inhale the smoke to their bodies, they should want to be constantly surrounded by it as well? That way they can enjoy the smoke all they want and anyone around them wouldn’t have to deal with it and everybody’s happy.

    I am going to learn to cook a meal with beans, eggs, garlic, processed milk, and tons of preservatives so that when I flatulate it will be the most revolting, disgusting stench, overpowering any cologne or cigarette exhaust. Then I will stand in crowds of smokers and let a few rip and see how they like having to breathe it in… the only thing left is to figure out how to make it toxic as well. Hey, it’s my right to break wind wherever I want.

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  142. December 12, 2008 at 8:36 pm, Guest said:

    I live above a chain smoker. Second-hand smoke sneaks up through my floorboards and I smell it all the time. I am getting sick because of it. I have made numerous complaints because of this smoker. This smoker is a father and husband living with 3 children. I get in trouble for playing my music a little bit loud once per year. When I make a complaint about the second-hand smoke coming through the floorboards of my apartment, here is what my building manager tells me: “there is no law against smoking in your own home.” Well, if you’ve got your own big fat house with no one surrounding you, that’s one thing. But when you are living in close quarters with other people connected to you, this is another.

    I have been sucking up my neighbor’s second-hand smoke now for over five years. Sometimes, I get severe headaches because of it. Sometimes, he smokes at 2:00 a.m. and I am awakened because of it. Sometimes, I get stomach aches.

    I want to begin a Proposition against condiminimum and apartment buildings allowing smoking within the building in the state of California.

    Where/how do I get started?

    Liza

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  143. December 15, 2008 at 11:34 pm, Guest said:

    There are practically no non smoking buildings. Ask the management company…people have a right to smoke in their home, they will say. It’s beyond ridiculous that they have a right to smoke and I have no choice but to breathe it.

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  144. December 19, 2008 at 12:12 pm, Guest said:

    It’s not smoke that bothers non smokers, its the very pungent smell that comes specifically from cigarette smoke. I am hyper sensitive to cigarette smoke in the respect that my sinuses start swelling up and burn, my eyes start to tear and my throat gets sore. This does not happen from smoke from a fireplace or even from a candle. It’s the toxins in cigarette smoke that cause this adverse effect.

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  145. January 08, 2009 at 7:30 am, Guest said:

    What about good Hepa filters? I have the same problem – smoker downstairs. I have not tried a Hepa filter yet but plan to. I know that ionizers are useless.

    But I did do something before that REALLY worked that nobody so far is talking about. I sealed my apartment. I went along every floorboard, every join and crevice and used masking tape (yes I should have used something more durable) and it made an immense difference to the point I didn’t smell anything for many months. I used duct tape in other areas. You wouldn’t believe how much smoke was coming out of the AC outlets. Remember the wind direction! If you’re on a south wall and its a north wind you’re not going to smell anything from a crack on that wall.

    If you live on the north side of a building and there is a south wind, that wind is going to push any smoke that is in your public hallway under and around your door and you will have lots of second hand smoke to breathe. So get soft weatherstripping and make sure it seals well. Test it with a fan on the outside of the door. The bottom is the hardest. Another way to test is to shine a bright light from the outside in with no light on inside. Trial and error will seal that puppy. You can use silicon to seal cracks and crevices and it works very well but unless its warm outside and you can have the windows wide open for days for ventilation, the chemicals in silicon are not what you want to breathe in sealed rooms in the winter. Find some good tape. Mine held for about a year. Now I noticed its coming off. This is great news as finally I probably have found where the smoke is coming from (again).

    Don’t expect any logic from smokers. If they had any they wouldn’t smoke. And if sealing your unit doesn’t work, move (or sell if its a condo.) How anyone could put their health in jeopardy in a rental for years is insane. The wheels of justice turn slowly. Look around for a place and you will probably find a better place for cheaper and be happy you moved. And be ready to move again if it happens again. Nothing is more important for your health than clean air. And its probably best to be on the ground floor as most complaints are from smoke rising. Also, consider renting a house or a suite in a non-smoking house. That should solve the problem. That’s what I’m going to do if I can’t fix the problem. There are way too many idiot smokers to contend with in apartment building. And even when a building goes “smoke free” it can take more than a decade for the smokers to die off. And die off they will.

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  146. January 08, 2009 at 7:32 am, Guest said:

    Move out! You are surrounded by idiots who have no power to quit. If they did they would have already. Rent a room/suite in a non-smoking house. Problem solved. Also the yard will be better for the child.

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  147. January 08, 2009 at 7:40 am, Guest said:

    I don’t read about many people complaining about people above them smoking. Do you know how its getting into your apartment? If your windows are closed is it seeping in through cracks? Remove the covers to your AC outlets and see if you can smell it more. Remember wind direction! You may not smell anything if the wind is coming from the opposite direction.

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  148. January 08, 2009 at 7:41 am, Guest said:

    The only intelligent thing to do is quit – then you’re both happy.

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  149. January 08, 2009 at 7:48 am, Guest said:

    Face it. If you couldn’t fix the problem you should have moved. We need less whining here and more solutions. You try to seal your floors and walls, pay attention to wind direction and where the smoke is exhausting from the offending party’s apartment, talk to them, and if that doesn’t work you get out of there. Its like people that live near chemically polluted areas. For years. Then complain when they get sick. They knew. They chose not to move. Pick up and move on. You have better things to occupy your time with than this. You’ll be glad you put this all behind you later.

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  150. January 08, 2009 at 7:53 am, Guest said:

    Good for you for moving! What may have been happening is that the ventilation system may have been shared between the units. If this is the case, no amount of sealing of cracks is going to make any difference at all. The only solution would be to put filters on the incoming air to hopefully screen out the tobacco. Does anyone know if Hepa filters will get rid of all tobacco smoke? I think its really hard to filter.

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  151. January 11, 2009 at 4:10 pm, Guest said:

    From a non smoker with asthma.

    Please people stop the stone throwing and post some helpful suggestions for us nonsmokers! Both smokers and nonsmokers have their rights, so if there is not a law, or a clause n the lease to stop smokers from smoking inside we all have to live together. Throwing insults at each other gets us nowhere, so please save our time and just post any helpful suggestions. Has anyone found any type of filter, or air purifier that helps? Does anyone know of any way to stop smoke from coming through walls and floors? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thank you.

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  152. January 19, 2009 at 2:10 pm, Guest said:

    fireplace smoke is different than cigarette smoke, I cant believe how selfish you are, just because you want to kill yourself from smoking doesn’t mean you have the right to kill others around you. YOU’RE A MURDER!!!!!
    do you know how hard it is as an asthmatic to breathe when someone as selfish as you lights up a cigarette. I think you should be thrown in prison for murder!

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  153. January 30, 2009 at 5:30 pm, Guest 2009 said:

    I have suffered the same problem ever since we moved into this apartmnet. I have particularlly asked the management if there is any smoke problem. Of course they say no. I only found out after we moved in that we are the only non smokers in this part of the buidling. Most smokers will smoke outside. But We happeb to live above a couple of chain smokers who belive it their rights to smoke inside. They reply my request to go outside by lighting more cigrattes in front ofme.

    I have done some research and it seemed that the only solution is to move out. I stopped using my central heating in the 2-20F weather since it conneted with downstairs and serve as a major entrance point. I tried to seal my apartment with silicone, it worked to certain extent. It greatly reduced the smoke but can not stop it. The airpurifier with true HEPA filter will help very little, it does more than get rid of the odor than remove the toxic chemicals. So, it will sooth you psychologically, but may not actually functionally.

    I am comprising myself by allow my family to live in here a bit longer. I wish the smokers will move out in a few months when their lease ends. If not, then it is time for us to move, but we will loose a bit chunk of money because of the new lease.

    The smokers, do they really have any intelligent, or any courtesy, or moral fiber at all? I can not ill speak this pair too much, since they keep smoking when they a child visiting. They really do not care a thing.

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  154. February 05, 2009 at 5:02 pm, Shelly Walker said:

    OMG!! Quite a lot of comments/issues!! I’m so glad I’m not the only one!! I actually feel a little better… and, I would like to hear how the person who bombarded their neighbors w/nasty smells like rotten eggs and crap did that – legally:) I have also had ideas of inventing sprays w/those same nasty smells and others to let smokers know how we feel – it seems like there’s definitely a sensitivity chip missing w/the lack of oxygen and the addition of toxins to smokers’ brains! Reasoning w/these pple’s near impossible! And for the people that suggest ‘just move’ or ‘ask ahead of time’ – right, in an ideal world!! We asked about Noise (a terrible issue in our last place!) and Cockroaches!! Ugh!!! SO many issues here in LA!!! and, now, Smoke!!! We dealt w/the others a year and a half and have been in the new place a couple of months!! I’m exhausted!! And so tired of constantly fighting for what should be common courtesy!! Just a little consideration here is all we’re asking for!! The chain-smoking insomniac (notice how often those two things seem to go together??!) below us smokes 24/7, literally!! It’s morning, noon and night – and early morning and in the middle of the night!! she constantly has that crap infiltrating her system!! all we want is for her to close her frickin windows!! but that’s too much to ask!! she’s a self-centered, miserable individual who has no empathy for others!! and, the manager smokes too!! and she put up a note that this person feels ‘attacked’ and ‘invaded’ because she’s being asked to ‘please’ shut her windows!! Hmm… isn’t that how we feel??!! lol!! what’s wrong w/this picture??!! Now, we are looking at legal action to get these pple to comply w/this very simple request! Ridiculous!! If only smokers were Rational!!! Oh, well… here we go again!! But, what’s really insane is that the US and California have all kinds of anti-smoking laws in restaurants and bars, airports and airplanes, etc, etc, but not in our HOMES?? Please!! How is this possible??!! And, for the moron (sorry, you just are!) that’s spewing his insanity of Denial all over the place re: cigarettes really aren’t bad for you! lol!! that’s just SAD!!! I KNOW how I Feel!! And, I saw my grandmother die not being able to Breathe due to her smoking-caused lung cancer!! It was terrible!! So, go on w/your Denial if that’ll make you feel better, but please do the rest of us a favor and quit spewing your diatribe all over this site!! you’re talking to the choir!! we’re all on here ’cause smokers/smoking’s making us miserable!! Even when we move – and we will, eventually! – I plan on pursuing creating ordinances w/the city and counties of LA to protect others!! You have every right to poison your own bodies, but please don’t even go there if it’s creating havoc w/others’!! My addictions don’t affect you and, if they did, I would expect ‘grief’ for them as well!! And, the story of the person getting smacked in the head by the baseball bat is a really sad one! No one deserves that – even a nasty, toxic smoker (lol!) but evidently, that person had issues and the smoker was in the wrong place at the wrong time and learned his lesson definitely the hard way!! The laws need to protect everyone and hopefully, pple won’t ‘snap’ and do something really awful!! And, when pple can’t be considerate of others, then they need legislation to tell them what they’re doing is wrong!! And, breathing in others’ toxins ranks up there w/some of the most miserable things I can think of!! How would you like it if we put rat poison/arsenic in your food or water and forced you to drink it??! Cause this is no different!! It’s truly horrible to realize you’re in a really helpless situation and have just gone from the frying pan into the fire!! I hope everyone here finds workable solutions to all these awful problems!! And, maybe if we band together, we can effect some kind of positive change!! Let me know if you’re interested; my email’s: michellew86@gmail.com. Best to All!!

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  155. February 07, 2009 at 11:30 pm, sickofsmoke said:

    Is there really nothing that can be done? I’m guessing a new tenant moved in back in December, because since the cigarette smoke has been leaking into my apartment. It’s only coming in on one side of my apartment, but that’s unfortunately the side that my bedroom and bathroom are on. Whoever it is smokes at night time and I could smell it thick and strong when I was in bed. Maintenance has been out to try to fix the situation, but all attempts have been in vain. I had to move my mattress to the living room to get some relief. I have asthma and the smoke makes it even more difficult to breath. When I go in the bathroom at night to brush my teeth and wash my face I feel my chest start to tighten up. It’s really awful. I’m going to see if management will allow me to move to a different unit.

    Apartments really need to start having non-smoking blocks

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  156. February 21, 2009 at 10:20 pm, Gues said:

    Shut the hell up you freaking idiot. People should not be exposed to the ignorant practices of ignorant people such as smoking. People who smoke really are ignorant fools, and the majority of them will pay in their senior years.

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  157. February 23, 2009 at 12:23 pm, Guest 2009 said:

    I lived above a couple of chain smokers, who would not give me a break. I tried to seal my apartment, and it worked a bit. Now, I got an acid, or sour smell seeping from the walls and/or carpets. It is hard to discribe, but it is disturbing. Is that still have someting to do with the drifting smoke? What chemical can it be? Does anyone know?

    Thank you

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  158. March 14, 2009 at 5:56 am, Roger Costanza said:

    I have been living in an apartment for 10 months now. Prior to this chapter of my life I was a home owner. I worked hard for years to be able to own my own home. After going through a divorce, I can no longer afford my own home. I have been living with a smoker below me for the entire time I have lived in this apartment. I am offended by the coments that people who live in apartments are low class. Sometimes life just happens to good people who work hard and your investments don’t work out. With that said, I too can not afford to “move from my apartment” to get away from the second hand smoke. I used to think like some of you: (the non smokers can just kiss my ass and move if they don’t like my smoke) but then one day…because I had been a smoker for years….I developed Athsma. That was not a laughing matter!!!I was so sick for six months before I was diagnosed and given medication. I literally would choke up when I went into a warm room after being out in the cold air in the winter. If I came into contact with ciggerate smoke at all, I would cough until my throat would bleed, and I would start throwing up. I couldn’t go to work the next day. I litteraly wanted to die. I used to be in good physical shape, but now I can’t even exercise because of my lung condition. The only thing that saved me is that I thought if I killed myself, my children would suffer. This may sound dramatic to you but this is the hell and torment that I went through. I really do understand how all you smokers feel….that your rights are being slowly taken away. Your right, they are. But if you have any humanity or feeling for anyone else but yourself, please consider the suffering that others are going through because of you selfishness. I really wish that the people in our country would try to think outside of the “Box” (their head) and see the bigger picture, and realize that as we fude with each other and become more and more self centered, and stop caring about others suffering, we become weak as a country. Instead, we need to ban together and create a strong cord. This is exactly why the people in our country are looked at as uneducated, easily minipulated, and vulerable to attack by other countries. Just a little food for thought. Think about it, meditate on it, and if the shoe fits, wear it. Just remember….a strong cord is not easily broken, but a fragmented one is torn down. Signed: Dissapointed in our people.

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  159. March 17, 2009 at 9:21 pm, Parttime smoker said:

    So what do you complainers do when the neighbor decides to barbeque on the back porch? I agree cigarettes stik, but so does a BBQ, a fireplace and cars. I can’t stand the smell of Indian food or fish and the neighbors open their windows when cooking this stuff. Should cooking, burning incense or tuning up a old muscle car be banned as well as smoking cigarettes? Idon’t think so. If I don’t like a smell, I close my window.

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  160. March 20, 2009 at 12:09 pm, Me said:

    LET’S BE REAL. There will always neighbourly aroma to deal with — food, incense, etc. The problem lies in excess. Cigarette smoke lingers. And if closing the window fixes it for you, great, you have some real mental powers there. Unfortunately, even in this day and age of “more non-smokers than smokers”, in my search for a new apartment building, I’m not able to find any in my area that are non-smoking. I have the choice of which restaurants I go to. When I go to a bar I expect it, like it or not. The point is, I’m being realistic. Most of us, really, are just asking for the same thing. LET’S BE CONSIDERATE.

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  161. March 25, 2009 at 11:17 pm, Anonymous said:

    I hate it when people tell you to just “MOVE” or to “DEAL WITH IT” or treat you like you’re the one with the problem when you complain about a neighbor’s smoke getting into your home.
    I’ve moved out of townhouses I was renting twice because I cannot tolerate what second hand smoke does to my lungs, sinuses and throat when I’ve been exposed to it. I guess I’m allergic.
    And it’s not like they smoke during the day when I can just go into another room to get away from whatever room next to mine they may be smoking. Why do smokers always seem to have insomnia and stay up all night? 3am, 4am, 6:30am they’re a bunch of night owls who have to smoke in their bedrooms and my bedroom is right next to theirs. I wake up not being able to breath. My chest is constricted my sinuses and throat are raw and I can’t even open up the window to let fresh air in because they have their windows open and the smoke comes through the window also.
    I’m not stuck in another house with a next door neighbor who smokes. I can’t seem to get away from these addicts! I can’t keep moving. It’s too expensive and unsettling for me.
    Landlords don’t want to seal the house up for you and the neighbors sure as hell aren’t going to stop their usual daily lives or change it in any way for you either. I’ve tried that route and no, it doesn’t work.
    I wish the government would just ban smoking altogether. It’s not just a bad smell, it’s a dangerous and deadly gas filled with toxins that kill people everyday. I dont’ understand why we have to put up with this.
    And for those who think second hand smoke is the same as heavy perfume, bbqs or firplaces are delusional and are probably smokers. Car emissions are mandated by the government because it’s dangerous to the general public. 2nd hand cigarette smoke is just as dangerous. Also, I don’t live on a highway. I don’t have to breath in car fumes 24/7, not even in the city. You’d have to live on a congested highway to get the same effect as living with second hand smoke.
    It’s disgusting and invasive and should be illegal. The sooner the better.

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  162. March 28, 2009 at 2:10 pm, Anonymous said:

    “I’m not stuck in another house…”
    Should be “I’m NOW stuck in another house…”

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  163. May 10, 2009 at 3:36 am, Valerie said:

    I’m sitting here in my bedroom, 5 years clean of nicotine, with my eyes burning, my throat getting sore, and my lungs feeling heavy all because my neighbor smokes and it’s coming in through the air ducts. My cat died from my smoking (yes, because they lick the poison off of their fur and she got cancer in her jaw and had to be put down), and a few weeks later all of my teeth died as a direct result of smoking (the surgeon general even made a public statement that this happens). I quit when those things happened, because I learned the hard way that tobacco kills, and I’m no exception. Neither is anyone else. We grow new lungs in 4 years, and now my brand new lungs are being damaged for the “right” my neighbor has to kill herself. Is that really a right? I thought suicide was illegal. Well, that’s all using tobacco is … suicide by the installment plan. On that basis alone tobacco should be illegal. And speaking from the sad experience of 29 years of smoking, people don’t smoke because they like it … they smoke so they don’t have to go through withdrawal, period. To sit here and rationalize and justify poisoning other people as a “right” is part of the insanity of the addiction. I’ve lived it, I’ve recovered from it, so I know, and no one is going to blow smoke up my *** about it or ever convince me for a split second that it’s alright to make others sick so they can die a slow death. It’s just so sad and pathetic. If the management doesn’t take care of this situation in short order I will absolutely be getting a lawyer. I’m not moving, I’m not paying to improve the apartment I live in when that’s the owner’s responsibility, and I’m not going to just put up with this. I chose life 5 years ago and quit smoking, and no one is going to take that right from me now and endanger my life. If I just sat here and took it that would be the same as saying that the drunk that killed my sister had a right to do it because he had a right to drink. That’s never going to happen.

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  164. May 14, 2009 at 9:54 pm, JP said:

    I feel for many of you! I bought a condo three years ago and am not stuck with 2 people below me that smoke. Not only do I often smell it coming under my door, but any time I have my sliding door open and the people below me smoke… it rushes in and I am forced the close my door. I was trying to find a way to stop that when I found this site. I’ve tried aiming fans at my screen door when it is open and that does nothing. One of my neighbors lives below me to the left and their smoke still manages to go up the wall, go 25 feet to the right, and into my condo. It makes me sick!

    The next thing that will happen will be shattered glass doors. If I shatter their door every week… maybe they will move.

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  165. June 16, 2009 at 8:51 am, never smoked said:

    I just moved into an upstairs apartment so I could sleep safely with my windows open. 3 weeks later…someone moves in downstairs and stands on their porch all day smoking like a train. It’s disgusting and it stinks. It’s in my house when my windows are open. Sounds alot like a violation on my health and MY environment that I pay to live in. I know they are weak and addicted, but we could set up a nice little yellow gazebo for them to stand in an empty field and puff away in. That sounds like a solution!

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  166. June 22, 2009 at 11:31 am, Anonymous said:

    I live on the top floor of a four apartment complex and the neighbor who lives on the other side (the top floor) comes onto the mini porch area that is in front of mine and the people downstairs window to smoke. He doesn’t smoke near his windows. Oh no, that would be too much! He has to smoke all on my side. I don’t know why he doesn’t smoke in his apartment. I unfortunatly own this place and since the market now sucks, i don’t have a choice but to stay. It isn’t that strong but, it is noticable. I want to buy an air purifer but i feel why the hell should i have to spend money over some jerk that can move his ass to the gazebo that the complex has available for everyone to smoke at?! I spoke to him and all he can say is that he has been living there for years and had a right to smoke there. So, i will be moving ASA the market allows me to. I can’t believe that the first place i would own would turn out to be a disaster! My father smoked and i hated it growing up. Smoking should be banned completely!!!!!

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  167. June 23, 2009 at 10:34 pm, just another said:

    Opinions vary, facts remain.
    As a non-smoker, I am repulsed by the level of hysteria I see on this page and others like it.
    Yes, I’m referring to you other non-smokers who post on this page.
    Such hatred directed at smokers.
    You complain about how they are “murderers”, and don’t care about anyone but themselves, and yet not one conciliatory post lamenting the addictive nature of cigarettes. Not one post directed towards helping smokers overcome the addiction. No, only anger and hatred.
    You post things like “you should shoot yourself in the head”, and variations of the “I’ll get even with them” style. And the accusation made is that they should somehow care so much about our health? With invective laden diatribes like these, why should they? It’s pretty obvious we don’t care about them, if the non-smoking posts on this page are any indication…
    I’m disgusted by the rude, callous posts here directed at smokers; if we as non-smokers wish to be thought of as being “better than” the smokers, maybe we could start by entertaining the notion of behaving politely and not as some crazed lynch mob.
    This will be my first and last post here, as I cannot stand the intense levels of obvious hatred and venom directed at smokers.
    I hoped to find a balanced discussion, what I found here are just the immature, hysterical, mean-spirited wailings of those who wish to look at themselves as victims…
    Pathetic.
    Lamentable.
    Obnoxious.

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  168. June 30, 2009 at 1:49 pm, Annanymous said:

    Even if there isn’t enough smoke that comes into the apt by way of cracks around pipes and vents to develop any problems, the stuff STINKS! It’s aweful and the smokers themselves know it too. I smoked for over 30 years and knew I & my place stunk. It’s odor is very high even when danger is not. Everyone who smokes who asked for a smoking room of a hotel has been hit by the smell the moment they entered the room. It’s gross. They smell the stuff too and not just us who don’t smoke. The appartment owners need to have seperate buildings for smokers. Let them wallow in their own pfilth and leave the non smokers out of it.

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  169. July 01, 2009 at 6:49 pm, Anonymous said:

    I can’t wait till they start handing out more and more paycuts to smokers, because their health cost cost compaines money to employ them…RIGHT ON…and for a start….I don’t care who you are…you don’t have a right to make me sick…I don’t have the right to make you sick…esp by something that is a choice…I’m not happy with the idea all this arguement…you DON’T have the right to harm others…if you think or can so call PROOVE its harmful or not…I have two lil boys that stay sick from second hand smoke in my apartment…maybe if someone were making your lil ones sick…you MIGHT feel alot different….

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  170. July 11, 2009 at 1:50 pm, Bruce said:

    Smokers are murderers. They kill their children a little bit everyday by smoking in their homes and cars. Aren’t children entitled to parents that love them enough to give them clean air??? How about these pregnant, disgusting, so-called mothers that smoke with a child in the womb? Is their any doubt in your mind that they will also physically and sexually abuse this child when it is born? Abuse is abuse. Anyone that would force poison into the lungs of an infant would surely beat and rape the child, also. Stop turning a blind eye to this situation. Smokers stink (literally and figuratively), their breath is foul, their teeth are yellow, skin is leathery and YES they are MURDERERS! Affects of second hand smoke on a child: asthma, bronchitis, allergies, dry eyes, increased likelihood of cancer, inability to fully enjoy sports, singing and certain musical instruments, being made fun of at school because they stink. Many parents (and I use that word loosely) that smoke use this as a gateway form of abuse. They start out smoking in a separate room, then they smoke in a room with a child. Next, they begin to hotbox the child in a car and expose them more and more to this abuse. Once, they realize the child hasn’t reported them to a teacher or caregiver; then the “parent” begins fondling, beating, penetrating the child and selling them to other adults in exchange for money to buy more cigarettes and illicit drugs. Anyone that defends a smoker is most likely a pervert, too.

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  171. July 22, 2009 at 11:25 pm, Anonymous said:

    Smokers are some of the filthiest people I have ever come across. They won’t use a butt can that’s just a few feet away. At my workplace the yard is covered with cigarette butts. Why??? There are 3 large butt cans; 1 near the door and 2 in the smoking area. Still, these nasty smokers would rather just throw their trash on the ground! Can you imagine what the world would look like if everyone did this? Finish a drink and throw the cup on the ground or cleaning our cars by tossing the trash into the streets? That’s what smokers do! They smell God awful and cause innocent people to get cancer with second hand smoke. I have to agree with the above poster; smokers are capable of anything and should not be trusted with children or animals. Just an FYI; did you not that every infamous serial killer/child molestor (Jack the Ripper, Son of Sam, Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer, etc) have one thing in common? THEY WERE ALL SMOKERS! Think about that the next time you let your child near a smoker. Bottom line: You and your child are most likely to be victimized (raped, beaten, robbed, kidnapped) by a smoker because as smokers they have learned to indulge their every desire no matter the consequences to themselves or others.

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  172. August 14, 2009 at 9:43 pm, Reason said:

    In reply to
    >>Anonymous Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 11:25 pm
    Just an FYI; did you not that every infamous serial killer/child molestor (Jack the Ripper, Son of Sam, Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer, etc) have one thing in common? THEY WERE ALL SMOKERS!

    REALLY ANONYMOUS? PROVE IT!!! –
    For example; to this day, no-one has really been able to even prove who Jack the Ripper actually was. Where did you get your facts Anonymous? Make them up as you go along?
    You’re obviously full of crap.

    And Bruce, get a grip on reality. You’re quite obviously a complete, hysterical fool. I pray you are not a parent, one could only imagine the illogical, rabid little monsters you would raise…

    And as a REAL F.Y.I., did you know that Hitler was a rabid anti-smoker?
    I begin to see a pattern here…

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  173. August 24, 2009 at 3:39 am, Linda said:

    Reason is without reason. Why would you call him a “hysterical fool”? He speaks the truth. And yes Jack the Ripper WAS a smoker and evidence of tobacco use was found on all his victims , but, not on all their hands or lips. What are the chances of each and every victim (smoker or not) being tainted with tobacco residue? You need to get a grip and stop glorifying this monsters that smoke near children. Are you one of those monsters? And as for your “Hitler was an anti-smoker” bit. Well, even Hitler had to get something right. Smoking is stupid. NOBODY benefits from smoking except the government which taxes it and the tobacco company execs. You should be ashamed of yourself.

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  174. August 25, 2009 at 9:33 pm, Kymri said:

    Just Another, you have obviously never been personally effected by cigarette smoke. The passionate responses you see are from people accosted by cigarette smoke. Now, they may take it out on the smoker (Wrong, because it is an addiction, ALTHOUGH, still a choice) but in the end the problem lies solely with the smoke itself, not the smoker. I understand your POV, and agree that ugliness is not the way to argue any case, however I do personally understand the passion that drives these statements. While I will not say them, I have felt them and thought them in my own head. If a person hit you, raped you, stole from you, hurt your family, would you feel a bit of anger? YOU BET! Not comparing, only demonstrating the feeling of being attacked in some way.

    I care not for smokers and non-smokers alike who toss this and that statisic around in order to PROVE one way or another that smoke either is or is not bad for you and everyone else. I have my own study, the research of my own life and health directly effected by cigarette smoke. I can definately tell you exactly what it does to me. Ready? Seizures, Migranes, Shortness of Breath, Chest Pain, Sore Throat, Burning Lungs, Loss of Cognitive Ability, Dizziness, etc. et. al. Before I was assisted by a neurologist, a person smoking a cigarette could merely walk by me and I would collapse to the ground and seize. Nothing else did this to me, but strong perfumes. Sure, you could say, well, that’s your problem! You are a weirdo with a weird condition and I could care less! Trust me, I have heard that. I don’t complain about smokers. But to be accosted (no better word) in my own home by a smoker is un freakin’ acceptable. Still, who suffers, one way or another? The smoker? NO! Me. I have to move, I have to accept, I have to find a way to live with it. OK, I can deal with that. But what I won’t concede to is being told by smokers that they do not effect me and I can stick it (insert here). And you wonder where this anomosity comes from?? Doesn’t make it right, but yes, I can absolutely relate.

    Throw all the numbers around you want, tell me about YOUR rights, good, I’ve got it. Now, I hope you (who smoke) stop for your own health, and if not, try at every moment to consider the harm you MAY be doing to others, even if it is only weirdos like me.

    Much love, FREEDOM, and compassion. Open your eyes to see how what we do, not just smoking, effects our brothers and sisters.

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  175. August 26, 2009 at 2:57 am, Anonymous said:

    Tobacco smokers are known to rape animals as well. I know that cigarette smoking kills brain cell, but, I still don’t feel sorry for tobacco users. I have stress, too. Difference is I wasn’t dumb enough to think that light something on fire and sticking it in my mouth would bring relief. Can’t you hear the selfishness and hatred in the posts of smokers? They lie and try to convince us that smoking is HEALTHY?!?! What kind of bullshit is that? If they won’t respect your right and NEED for clean air; what will they respect? NOTHING. That is why they rape and beat children and animals. They have no respect or compassion. Smokers are in line with the forces of EVIL. They work for Lucifer and no child, animal or adult is safe from their vicious attacks. As people that value life and clean air for ourselves and our children; we must bring down the evil by all means necessary!

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  176. September 05, 2009 at 4:08 pm, m harr said:

    It’s 2009. Not 1957. Cigarette Smoking is sort of a slow form of Russian Roulette
    -no matter how much denial you put on that. And add to that now WE KNOW
    second hand smoke really can be very bad to non-smokers. No games, no
    lies, no exaggeration. Smoking has zero redeeming elements!
    I would like to see all smokers quit -and be happy folks who lived longer and
    healthier. But for me and others to have to smell cigarette smoke when I go out
    on my apartment balcony. Or smell it in my bathroom from some vent or ?
    Or as I go and come home I must walk by giant ash trays when smokers dwell.
    Talk about SMOKER’S GROSS DENIAL! AND not caring about maybe injuring others
    involuntarily forced to breathe poison cigarette ETS. (Environmental Tobacco Smoke). Maybe smokers should smoke wearing gas masks. Smokers self esteem IS NOT higher than non smokers self perception overall.

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  177. September 10, 2009 at 9:11 pm, Anonymous said:

    what about cars?should we stop driving cars? that puts off more carbon monoxide in the first 5 seconds of driving than a smoker does in a year. are we forgetting the real issues here?smokers should not smoke around non smoking people, but i cant imagine people not driving near other people..nor can i imagine anyone who is willing to give up their car willingly..hmm.

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  178. September 10, 2009 at 9:15 pm, guest said:

    maybe we should stop driving..cars put off more carbon monoxide in 5 seconds than a smoker does all year..but somehow we forgot that fact since they quoted it a few years ago..so sad..

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  179. September 12, 2009 at 8:51 pm, GOD said:

    Driving vehicles has benefits to it! Smoking has NO, ZIP, ZERO benefits! That is the difference! Now stop defiling your bodies with smoke! Defiling your body is just as great a sin as fornication, molestation and lying! Don’t think that you’re going to enter into my Kingdom of the Heavens after destroying the gift I have given. My son died so that your sins are forgiven, BUT, that doesn’t mean that your intentional and incessant sins will be overlooked. You will burn in fire and brimstone of Hades for all of eternity!

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  180. October 07, 2009 at 8:08 pm, Anonymous said:

    Ok, so smoking annoys the —- out me, I would honestly rather smell own —-t, but I should put up with my neighbor smelling up my apartment everyday, which by the way has no air ventilation, just baseboard heaters, so my only option is to open my windows when its —– cold out.

    BOTTOM LINE: SMOKING ANNOYS ME, THEREFORE IT’S NOT YOUR RIGHT TO DO IT NEAR ME. (if you’ve ever taken a law class you would learn that this can be classified as assault)

    SMOKERS:
    ITS ANNOYING TO GET PUNCHED IN THE —— FACE, BUT IF I REALLY LIKE TO PUNCH PEOPLE IN THE FACE, IS IT MY RIGHT TO WALK DOWN TO YOUR APARTMENT AND JACK YOU IN JAW EVERY TIME I FEEL LIKE IT????????

    SOLUTION FOR IGNORANT DUMB —– SMOKERS: CHEW TOBACCO WHEN YOU’RE INDOORS, WHEN YOU’RE OUTDOORS, KNOCK YOURSELF OUT, I DON’T GIVE A —– ABOUT YOUR HEALTH.

    SINCERELY,
    —–YOUSMOKERS

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  181. January 20, 2010 at 10:13 am, Jamie said:

    If smokers want to give themselves lung cancer, thats just dandy, but you have NO GOD DAMN right to take me down with you.

    This bulls*** where its allowed in apartments needs to cease.

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  182. January 27, 2010 at 9:44 am, Concerned said:

    I do not understand how people can call health concern whining. It is like saying that all this is our heads and not factual. Let me put FACTUAL out there. I have just moved into an apartment building where both my upstairs and downstairs neighbors smoke on their porches (the downstair’s right in front of the entrance) Since the 1.5 months I have been here, I have had to use my inhaler frequently to help my otherwise controlled asthma. We have all the windows sealed with plastic to keep the cold out, and still, the smell gets in somehow. My youngest suffers from migraines and all we have to do is open the door to the hallway and he gets an immediate migraine – the smell of smoke is so concentrated in the hallways. 2nd had smoke not only affects others in the future – there ARE immediate repercussions. If smokers could inhale their own 2nd hand smoke and not have it affect anyone else but themselves, then there really wouldn’t be a need for anyone else to get involved with this issue. We’d all be so happy we’d have nothing to “whine about”.

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  183. January 29, 2010 at 10:01 pm, ???? said:

    I read most of these listings, and can’t believe all the whining. If our country was filled with people like most of you, from 1770 to 1946, we would have lost every war we were in.
    First of all there has never been a death caused by 2nd hand smoke. They are just assuming anyone in contact of it, that aquires cancer, got it because of 2nd hand smoke. They cannot prove or disprove any connection.
    You people hear something in the media, and just go overboard. Why don’t you worry about what we really need to worry about. Our government allowing pollution from vehicle and factories that is 1000 times worse than anything any amount of smokers could ever do.
    You all sit on here and bitch about this, when they shipped most of our jobs over seas, they’ve done everything they could to keep us living off gas and oil, and run this country into a recession that isn’t going away soon.
    If you don’t like a bar with smoke, go somewhere else. Taking away all bars that allow smoking IS unconstitutional. If myself and others want to go to such a place, then they have every right to. Anyone that thinks they do not have that right, belong in Germany, in about the year 1941. Taking away the rights of others is fun, but sooner or later they will decide that they don’t like something that you do. Then what do you do. You’ll start whining again.

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  184. February 19, 2010 at 1:03 am, guest said:

    cigarrette should cost $200.00 a pack I would love to see that

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  185. April 21, 2010 at 5:50 pm, Anonymous said:

    I don’t have to suffer second hand smoke at my job, or in most public buildings, or even if I needed to ride the bus or take a taxi. I don’t go to places that allow smoking. I do not understand why anyone would find it okay for anyone to put up with toxic fumes invading their apartment or house. I do not care what anyone does that doesn’t hurt anyone else. However, when smoke is coming into my apartment, that hurts my family. I have second hand cigarette and drug smoke coming into my home, and we have all been ill since the smokers moved in. As far as I am concerned, I took it up with my landlord, and I will continue to take it up with my landlord. There is no such thing as its ok to smoke laws, but there is a right to a safe living environment.

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  186. April 28, 2010 at 2:58 pm, Non-Smokers Have RIGHTS! said:

    There is no “right to smoke”. Not on a State or a Federal level. It has never been a right and obviously, never will be. Smoking is also not a “disability” (some try that sorry excuse). Smokers are a consumer group and that is it! They are not a protected class in any way.
    So, why do they think that they can cause illness/nuisance/assault and disruption to others? Who knows? There is research that shows that cig smoking causes a decrease in IQ, so maybe that is the reason? All I know is that trying to reason with a smoker is useless. If they don’t care about their health why would they care about the health of others? Secondhand smoke is a known carcinogen.
    Why non-smokers in multi-dwelling units have to fight for fresh air is perplexing because landlords do indeed have the right to write a NON-SMOKING addendum to new leases and when an old leases expire. It is perfectly legal and there are hundreds of sites that state this. Anyone who would like their complex to be transitioned to allow smoke-free buildings and/or smoke-free areas should print a lease addendum and present it to their landlord. Also, bring a letter from a medical provider stating how the smoke is affecting you. Under the Americans With Disabilities Act, a landlord must make reasonable accommodations for you if your mental/physical health is suffering because of the smoke. Any landlord with half a brain would see that non-smokers are the majority of renters (86%) and it would not harm their business in any way. It would even save the landlord money. Oh, and smokers, quit with the “just move if you don’t like the 2nd and 3rd hand smoke killing you” because there is no guarantee that the new place to live will not have the same issues. Sadly, by law, landlords cannot reveal if a neighbor is a smoker, so moving is a costly gamble. Best bet for non-smokers is to fix the issue where you are. If enough non-smokers complain…laws will change regarding smoking in multi-dwelling units! Many states are already doing it!

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  187. May 20, 2010 at 3:09 pm, Anonymous said:

    Anyone who posted anything here is retarded. Yes, even me, but more so YOU.

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  188. May 26, 2010 at 11:37 am, washington person said:

    if i didn’t know better, most of this drivel stereotyping one or the other side of this sounds suspiciously similar to GL hate bashing and racism from the 60s.

    Every person on here is basically saying ‘my opinion is more important and valuable than yours.’

    And by saying things like that, you are just nullifying anything else you had to say that might have actually been useful.

    It’s funny. i live in washington state and we are looking at, in 2011, over $201 million dollars in revenue to the state ONLY from cigarettes. That is not chump change. You want to make it illegal, that’s $201 million dollars or more that nonsmokers will have to pay.

    Okay, guess i won’t be buying a house anytime soon because i would vote to increase property taxes or to have some kind of income tax for the state to make up for that.

    This is a gray area, no matter which side you are on of the ‘Mommy, he went on my side of the line on the couch, waah, tell him to stop.’

    i don’t think anyone should be allowed to drive in a car with only one person in it; i think it should be illegal to drive by yourself in a car on the road. i think hummers should be illegal as well.

    so therefore, i should probably go call anyone on the internet names who doesn’t agree with me.

    people who want to make this strictly a black-and-white issue, well i feel sorry for those people.

    and i have to say, i laughed at the person who actually brought out some old testament garbage and seriously claimed that all smokers are permanently going to H-E-double hockey sticks. And people here called smokers uneducated, but no one batted an eye at the old testament psycho, LOL!!! I LOVE IT.

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  189. June 09, 2010 at 8:11 pm, Squirrel, England. said:

    The idea of terraforming another planet is a good one. We can then send all the world’s smokers to said planet and be free from their POISON FILTH. Actually we could just send the smoking OFFENDERS to the Moon or Mars, and let them suffer and die from lack of oxygen like they do to us every piggin day 24/7. I live in a terraced house and have 3 heavy/chain smokers live next to me, and guess what people, SMOKE FILTH does come through walls. It’s a gas and ciggie molecules are smaller than the molecular structure of wall materials, allowing it to pass through. Smokers must be totally DIM to continue their habit, whilst knowing all the health risks involved. SELFISH IDIOTS!!!!

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  190. June 18, 2010 at 11:57 am, Anonymous said:

    We just moved in a 2nd floor apt and found that the downstair neighbors smoke. It bothers us so much. Sometimes we wake up in the middle of night feeling difficulty in breathing. We have tried HEPA air purifier, activated charcoal, and steaming vinegar. Using a slow cooker to gradually evaporate vinegar for hours seems the most effective of three. Vinegar, though not harmful, becomes somewhat irritating in excess.

    Before we moved in, we asked the land lord if other tenants are smokers. He said he didnt know. Because he just repainted and recarpeted the apartment, we could not tell during a short visitation. Only after we moved in did we discover. And I guess he knew but didnt reveal :-(

    Buying purifier and other stuff, steaming vinegar for hours everyday, absorbing all the health consequences, probably having to move again…Why should non-smokers foot the bill for smokers?

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  191. September 02, 2010 at 1:33 am, GOD said:

    Here’s an idea for smokers: How about each time I smell you cigarette filth, I come over, bear my ass and place my butthole in your mouth. Then I will fart. I will also take a big —————. I will piss in your childrens’ nostrils and make you thank me for the privilege. If I have to smell your disgusting cigarette smoke, then it’s only right that you should be acquainted with the smell of my intestines. Tit for tat.

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  192. September 02, 2010 at 1:01 pm, cam said:

    I can relate to Anonymous. I live above a smoker. I have an air purifier. I have cracks around the door covered with old clothes, plastic outlet covers on my outlets, and keep my windows closed. I live in a tiny studio you would think it would be easy to manage. Well I still wake up in middle of the night and in the morning, unable to breathe clearly, and the palms of my hands smelling like cigarette smoke. It is awful. I don’t know what to do. I still have 10 mos. left on my lease. During the day I feel like shit. I believe it’s residual effects from smoke.

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  193. September 14, 2010 at 10:06 am, AJ said:

    Same thing. I am sitting right here in my 2nd floor apt. and my eyes are stinging. I cannot sleep, my throat is dry and I am feeling ill…all from the smoke. Never happens until the smoking starts. I have an air purifier, but it is still bad. Unfortunately, we cannot afford to move.

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  194. September 20, 2010 at 3:21 am, mike said:

    get cancer and die you filthy scumbag smokers

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  195. October 26, 2010 at 7:14 pm, KC said:

    I haven’t read all the posts so don’t know if this has been addressed. Some posts have been about smoking not causing lung cancer. Well, I work in a cardiology clinic and to a man, none of the 6 cardiologists smoke. They name smoking as a HUGE CAUSE of heart attack and smoke IF indirect. I AM SICK OF IDIOTS FORCING ME TO BREATH POLLUTION. Smoking should be banned just a SLAVERY has been banned. It is BAD FOR LIVING THINGS.

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  196. October 26, 2010 at 7:32 pm, KC said:

    Smoking is child abuse. No adult takes up smoking only those under 23 whose brains aren’t finished developing. The same idiots who text while driving. Then, when they see the light, it is too late. They are hooked. It is EVIL disguised as pleasure.
    I am very angry because I am surrounded by smokers. It didn’t occur to me to check anything out before moving here because I’ve never had this problem before!!!!! The idiots who manage my apartment complex just come in a spray air freshener whenever I complain that my BEDROOM SMELLS LIKE A BAR every night. They suggested I air out my appartment often. In humid, tropical Florida in the summer? This started, BY THE WAY, after I was here a month and a guy who likes to smoke in his bathroom moved in next to me. I WAS HERE FIRST!!!!

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  197. October 27, 2010 at 10:31 pm, KC said:

    And about those who say non-smokers are “whining”, get your pacifier out of YOUR mouths you big infants. Grow up! Any small amount of intelligence will tell you that inhaling SMOKE is bad for you. I have a great idea. Non smokers buy a can of or fresh salmon, eat the contents at your convenience for the healthful OMEGA 3 fatty acids and then when no one is looking, poor the liquid from the can on the welcome mats or doorsteps of your smoking neighbors. They may not stop smoking, but you will enjoy knowing dishing out a little of their own medicine (and it won’t even hurt them like their smoke is hurting you.)

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  198. December 12, 2010 at 3:48 am, Momtrappedinnevada said:

    Dear Smoker,

    I am your neighbor at a nice normal Apartment building in Nevada. We moved here so my husband could be closer to his older children. We moved in during June of this year with our infant daughter. Until recently I have been completely satisfied with the management, apartment complex, the apartment itself, and you my neighbor. A serious issue arose when the weather began to get colder. I didn’t notice you smoking on your patio anymore and I noticed a distinct smell of cigarette smoke in the bathrooms of my apartment, near the central HVAC, and under all the sinks… as well as discomfort most mornings in the form of dry irritated eyes, sore throat, headache, and shortness of breath. I suffer from moderate asthma as well as an acute upper respiratory sensitivity to cigarette smoke. In essence I react to exposure much the same way a person with a severe allergy would. Five years ago, I stayed in a casino for three days, in a nonsmoking room, i did not gamble or linger in on the casino floor, and was hospitalized for this condition with acute anaphylaxis when the swelling in my throat endangered my ability to breathe.

    I spoke with the management office about you smoking in your bathrooms due to the cold weather and was informed that it was also possible that the smoke was coming from other apartments as well, as the bathroom exhausts are the one system that is usually interconnected within the building. I also discovered online from dozens and dozens of sources that the smoke doesn’t just use the vents to seep in, it seeps in through the cracks between the baseboards and the walls, the electrical outlets, the plumbing holes and acoustic ceilings. The manager also informed me that while she understood my dislike for the smell in my home there wasn’t really anything she could do about it. While the management preferred there to be no smoking in the apartments there was not an established policy to prevent it. I did not express that my discomfort was a health issue not just a dislike because it seemed that for there to be any relief from this I would need to appeal to a higher power, so to speak.

    First, I would like to express that I am surprised that there is no established policy preventing smoking within the apartments strictly from an insurance and fire hazard prospective. Additionally I know clean fresh smelling apartments rent much more easily which I know management is well aware of as a cat urine smell detected in one of the bedrooms was immediately resolved by replacing the carpet in that bedroom when we first moved in. While I expressed my understanding to management that I understand that it is cold and smoking outdoors after dark cannot be an enticing prospect, I would like to state that the inconvenience, discomfort and health issues this inflicts on all of your nonsmoking neighbors far outweighs that.

    Finally I would like to express my concern that I have no way of preventing my infant daughter from being exposed to the smoke as well. Cigarette smoke after all is a well established health hazard and known carcinogen and my extreme sensitivity to it is only a minor consideration. I was a paralegal before I went back to school, and I worked for a company that defended one of the major tobacco companies. The tobacco companies do not dispute that cigarette smoke contains many known carcinogens, that secondhand smoke kills, that exposure to fetuses and infants can cause many many serious conditions such as asthma, respiratory infections, cough, wheeze, otitis media (middle ear infection) and Sudden Infant Death Syndrome. You can find all of this information on phillipmorris.com, Phillip Morris is one of the largest producer of tobacco products in the world. Their website also contains links to resources to assist smokers with quitting, as well as links to the surgeon generals reports on cigarette smoking, second hand smoke, and environmental tobacco smoke.

    You have every right to smoke… I only ask that you understand the serious effects of your cigarette smoke on your neighbors, my daughter, and me… and smoke outside. You can come in to a warm home and a warm bed and sleep comfortably after your smoke. I currently toss, turn, cough, wake up and go to bed with the same headache, the same shortness of breath, the ever increasing sore throat and angry sinuses, and the increasing concern for my tiny daughter. I hope that we can work together to find a mutually beneficial resolution to this problem as I really do enjoy the quite neighborhood, the cheerful management, and friendly neighbors and I would be hard pressed to find a smoke free apartment in Nevada more to my liking.

    ~amom

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  199. January 09, 2011 at 10:55 pm, PD said:

    In search for an apartment, we noticed the various “no smoking” signage at Alexan Palm Valley Apartments in Texas. We also took special notice to what is stated in the lease, “You and your occupants or guests may not engage in the following activities: disturbing or threatening the rights, comfort, health, safety, or convenience of others.” Delighted we settled into our Alexan apartment owned by Trammell Crow Residential/BCRE Palm Valley LLC, and on August 7, 2009 is when our nightmare began.

    In making our initial, official written notice to Alexan’s management in August of 2009, we stated, “There is cigarette or cigar smoke coming from our shared outside community spot, and the smoke is coming into our apartment through the windows that we like to leave open for fresh air.” The Owner’s legal team states, “The Owner’s representative contacted your downstairs neighbor in an attempt to resolve the matter.” They continue, “It is my understanding that your downstairs neighbors have limited smoking to outside their unit.” We explained, “The smoking outside is quite an issue for the both of us.”

    The apartment management responds, “The smoke would also be able to go through a/c vents, etc. into your apartment if they were to smoke inside versus outside. Smoking on their patio as opposed to their apartment is the best case scenario. At least in this case all you would have to do is close your window when they are outside.” In further discussing this matter with the Owner’s legal representation, one of their attorneys states, “Part of the problem you have had is because you have left your window open, allowing smoke from outside the downstairs unit to come into the Premises.” We shared our pain with the Owners, “We have felt like prisoners behind bars (with having to close windows in order to breathe).”

    Is there anything that Trammell Crow Residential/BCRE Palm Valley LLC can do about the tobacco smoking outside? Stated in lease contract, “We may regulate: (1) the use of patios, balconies, and porches; (3) recreational activities in common areas.” Yet, the apartment manager says, “I have no grounds to tell your neighbors that they can’t smoke on their patio.” Also in our lease contract, “You and all occupants and guests must exercise due care for your own and other’s safety and security.”

    Confirmed by the Owner’s legal group, BCRE Palm Valley LLC is listed as the Owner of the Alexan Palm Valley Apartments in Texas.
    bostoncapital.com/about/20100412.html

    The Owners offered us a transfer to another apartment unit, and why didn’t we accept this offer? Greystar is the property management company for the Alexan Palm Valley Apartment Community. Here’s what Greystar’s legal representative has to say. “Allow me to point out that you have previously been offered an opportunity, both on September 10, 2009 and again on September 28, 2009, to transfer from the Leased Premises to another unit at Alexan. You declined such offer.” What is not mentioned by this attorney in his correspondence and is the deal-breaker for us? As the Alexan management explains: “There would be no guaranty [sic] that your new neighbors do not smoke too.” As an employee of Greystar puts it, “Management offered a transfer to another unit within the community, but similarly would have no assurance that a similar situation would not broach itself at a later date.”

    Alexan management previously knew about the fact that the Mrs. is blind. The acting manager at the time received this plea from the Mrs.: “The cigarette/cigar smoke is becoming absolutely unbearable for me with my eyes paining/burning/watering (and, it is certainly challenging enough to be without vision and to have these other avoidable/unnecessary eye challenges really has an unpleasant compounding effect).” We further state, “This issue is very serious as you may not be aware of our intense sufferings from the drugging smoke. Every day, we feel like we are being drugged forcefully.”

    In a recent written correspondence dated November 29, 2010, we explained to one of the Owner’s attorneys the following: “It is egregious behavior to keep silent on health related matters, to have a client rent and then discover the danger to their health. After all of this … it is unconscionable to present an opt out from the lease and to place the burden of time, effort and monetary output on us to move. If we were made aware beforehand of all the information we found out after August 7, 2009, we would not have rented at Alexan. Over the past 15 months, we have experienced tremendous and completely unnecessary discomfort in our living environment.”

    Courts have repeatedly shown that rights are for where you are, to be enforced and obeyed there. The latter-stated is what we desire. Knowing this fact and on more than one occasion, one of the Owner’s attorneys says, “We look forward to hearing from you in the event you would like to accept the Owner’s offer to terminate the Lease.” We would have to accept the following along with the termination offer, “… and release the Owner and the Owner’s managing agent from all claims.”

    After we were offered an opt out of our lease and declined, here’s what we received from one of Greystar’s employees: ” ___ does work in air duct projects for the City of Austin and he can offer some insight as to how to best mitigate common air between units.” Mr. ___ performed the work in our unit. However, The Center for Energy and Environment and The American Society of Heating, Refrigeration and Air-Conditioning Engineers (the latter-stated is the body that sets the standard for indoor air quality) shows that ventilation technology is insufficient to protect building occupants from second-hand smoke.

    Was the apartment management aware of the effects from tobacco smoke? Alexan’s management educates us on tobacco smoke’s damaging effects to an apartment unit, and here is what they say in their own words. “Cigar smoke does extensive damage to the interiors of the apartment. Typically the carpet has to be replaced and special treatments done to the walls, cabinets and even window treatments when residents smoke heavily in their apartments.” Let’s find out if Alexan’s management understands tobacco smoke’s effects to peoples’ health? In the words of Alexan’s management: “Typically businesses that have a designated smoking area have one set up outside as opposed to inside so that any smoke can released [sic] into the atmosphere as opposed to an interior space where it would be more hazardous to people’s health.”

    Does TCR/BCRE have the ability to offer us a healthier lifestyle at our Alexan apartment home? Here’s what Trammell’s managing director for Alexan CityView Apartments in NJ says, “We believe the decision to introduce this new building — which will be the only 100% smoke free rental offering in the state — will be embraced by a growing segment of the public that seeks a healthier lifestyle at home.” Here’s Alexan’s mission statement: “Our Owners and Management Team are focused on creating value for each resident while enhancing their quality of life.” However, according to one of the Owner’s attorneys regarding Alexan Palm Valley in Texas, “The community is not a smoke-free community and the Owner has no intention of having the community be a non-smoking community.” He also states to us, “The Owner is sensitive to your concerns about the damages of smoking.”

    Besides Alexan CityView, does Trammell Crow Residential have any other Alexan brand apartment communities that are non-smoking? Alexan Southwood in Florida is advertised as a 100% smoke-free community. Alexan Riverdale and Alexan Twenty-Four in Virginia have on their websites, “Clean Air Breathe Easier.” On their websites … Alexan Riverdale has, “Option to live in a 100% smoke-free building” and Alexan Twenty-Four has, “100% smoke-free community.” An attorney for the Owners states, “The Owner cannot keep smokers from smoking in or outside their units.” In the words of Greystar’s property management, “Smoking is not a situation that we could directly control either now or in the future.”

    “A new paradigm needs to take precedence whereby Owners of apartment communities are held accountable for not disclosing important health-related information. Their silence is severely hurting people and this behavior is inexcusable,” states the Mrs. “The biggest question to ask is why landlords of apartment communities are silent about allowing tobacco smoking,” states the Mr. We continue to reside at Alexan and are seeking resolution.

    Is breathing in second-hand tobacco smoke dangerous? The 2006 report of the U.S. Surgeon General, The Health Consequences of Involuntary Exposure to Tobacco Smoke, cautions — there is “no risk-free level of exposure to second-hand smoke” and that “even small amounts of second-hand smoke exposure can be harmful.” The EPA (Environmental Protection Agency) classifies second-hand smoke as a group A carcinogen for which there is no safe level of human exposure. Due to cigarettes’ inherently deleterious nature and ingredients, they … when lit … emit deleterious emissions. Deleterious ingredients include and are not limited to acetaldehyde, arsenic, benzo (a)pyrene, cadmium, crotonaldehyde, ethylcarbamate, formaldehyde and radioactive polonium.

    There is widespread scientific consensus that exposure to second-hand smoke is harmful. The link between passive smoking and health risks is accepted by nearly every major medical and scientific organization, including: The World Health Organization, The U.S. National Institutes of Health, The Centers for Disease Control, The United States Surgeon General, The U.S. National Cancer Institute, The United States Environmental Protection Agency, The California Environmental Protection Agency, The American Heart Association, American Lung Association, American Cancer Society, The American Medical Association, The American Academy of Pediatrics, The National Research Council, The National Toxicology Program, American Public Health Association, American Thoracic Society, The American College of Preventive Medicine, The British Medical Association, The Australian National Health and Medical Research Council and The United Kingdom Scientific Committee on Tobacco and Health.

    The governments of 168 nations have signed and currently 170 have ratified the World Health Organization Framework Convention on Tobacco Control, which states that “Parties recognize that scientific evidence has unequivocally established that exposure to tobacco smoke causes death, disease and disability.” As recognized by the afore mentioned major medical authorities and scientific organizations, the onset of severe health afflictions is not a question of if; it is a question of when. Identifying TTS (toxic tobacco smoke) as a TAC (toxic air contaminant) “rightfully puts second-hand tobacco smoke in the same category as the most toxic automotive and industrial air pollutants.” … says California Identifys Second-Hand Smoke as a “Toxic Air Contaminant” (26 January 2006).

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  200. January 15, 2011 at 6:22 pm, Anonymous said:

    I say lets think of the children. Us adults can speak on our behalf but what about the innocent children? I feel if people want to smoke and kill themselves I guess that’s their right, but what about the children and babies in those cars, houses and every where else having no way of saying I cant breathe. What about their rights.
    I drive by cars all the time where innocent children and babies are stuck in a car with adults who have all the car windows rolled up or maybe cracked a tiny ounce and are puffing away on their cigarettes. You cant tell me that some maybe even most of these children wont have health issues later on because of secondhand smoke. Unfortunately a lot of these children will grow up and start up the filthy habit.
    I applaud those of you who try everything possible to stop smoking or go out of your way to not smoke around others. For those of you who don’t care about yourself or anyone else I have pity on you.
    I know how hard it is to quit smoking but if for nothing else do it for all those children who have no way of saying stop I cant breathe.

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  201. January 18, 2011 at 12:01 am, Christopher Perrera said:

    Smoking should be banned EVERYWHERE but in a free standing home. This means unless you live in your own house and you do it INSIDE it should be 100% ILLEGAL.

    It has nothing to do with the Govt. I HATE THE GOVT. and it is up to me the people that all smoking is bad. The GOVT are A HOLES for selling them!

    Adult with kids in the car smoking should be taken to jail or fined and sent to rehab. It is time to stop ignoring the facts and not let the weak bring down the strong. There are enough people in this world that if every smoker burned into an ash pile right now I think we would be just fine!

    Poof Puff gagg. Light another idiot!

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  202. April 12, 2011 at 6:41 pm, guest said:

    I say put the tobacco industry out of business, then all of us who enjoy smoking but know it’s not good for us will have to quit. But then be prepared to get your wallets out and pony up more sales tax and other costs that your state will be losing on the sale of tobacco products. That seems fair enough to me but I’m betting the complainers here would have a new subject to complain about.

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  203. April 15, 2011 at 10:54 pm, Cmedina said:

    I live downstairs from a smoker, and I hate it. I have a 4 month old and its been hot so when im on my computer I leave my balcony door open and hold my baby, then I hear her balcony open and the smell comes pouring into my apartment :/ Shes a nice lady but I am worried about my babys health.

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  204. May 19, 2011 at 4:31 am, Guest1111 said:

    Sorry this article is ridiculous.
    Dont start calling a smoker a murderer??? This article creates hate against smokers. Met only one person in my life that is so anti smoking, about 40% smokes or has smoked and the other 59% doesnt really care. WHy are we backing such a minority.

    Businesses that went smoke free have seen a rise in profit? where did you get that???? Most businesses that went smoke free are gone bust especially pubs/cafes.

    Smokers arent enemies or bad people in any sense, dont worry they arent different from you or me. Maybe approaching them as normal human beings would do te trick. If someones blows smoke into your apartment, it might be accidental as smokers dont trace the smoke. Just speak to them regarding this. If you arent able to maybe go to a communication class to become more assertive. But stop hating on smokers becuase you are afraid of confrontation.

    And for smokers it all starts with yourself, so no point putting tobacco sales out of business if you want to quit, just quit.

    People need to look at their own flaws and weaknesses before blaiming it on others.

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  205. June 29, 2011 at 7:51 pm, JD said:

    I read about 3/4 of the comments. While legally there is little a non-smoker can do against a smoker there is the issue of courtesy. People are affected by smoke. You don’t need scientific evidence or conspiracy theories to prove this. The fact that someone may choose to continue a habit that is entirely optional (smoking), which is negatively affecting other individuals with their habit of breathing (quite necessary, I can assure you) makes person one an ass.

    By all means, you are allowed to be ass, but when people start responding to you with harsh words don’t be surprised. Health concerns aside, you wouldn’t want your apartment to smell like shit. To many non-smokers the smell is unbearable. Certainly we can all agree we would do whatever possible to get rid of the source. Sometimes moving can be difficult financially or trying to find a new place can be really difficult and take time (where I’m at). Point being, if you’re the guy smoking are you really going to be the one who goes and tells the family next door to just deal with it or move? You’re in a position of power here and the choice is yours, but many of us would appreciate it if you provided the simplest answer to our problems and took steps to cut down on what was lurking around.

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  206. July 13, 2011 at 1:31 pm, kelly said:

    If you have any qualms about exactly what secondhand smoke can do to do and your quality of life check out these videos I took of my apt in Hamel Mill Lofts Haverhill MA. youtube.com/watch?v=sQMOhGWPjDU

    or
    youtube.com/watch?v=z2NaCrEETY0

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  207. October 03, 2011 at 2:31 am, Non-smoking neighbor said:

    I feel for all of you suffering from the same problem, that is, being forced to breathe other people’s cigarette smoke and smell constant stench, unable to enjoy fresh air, which is what windows are for.

    I have lived in one location for many years which used to be a decent apartment complex and was once only aware of ONE out of maybe forty persons being a smoker, who was not near my unit. Now, for some reason (probably due to other buildings becoming “non smoking” buildings), several smokers over time have arrived here. This is the type of building with a courtyard in the middle, where there is the walkway, pool and access to the laundry room, with parking at the rear of the building. As smokers tend to do, they will smoke on the way to and from their cars or apartments. I just happen to live in that middle area of the building and the smell is constant, especially when opening the door to walk anywhere within the building.

    There is now an abundance of cigarette butts strewn throughout the parking lot in every crack and crevice, in other’s car spaces and within the building grounds, which is disgusting. There is one older woman who doesn’t even live here, but for several weeks at a time, regularly stays with a tenant, smoking outside in 40 minute intervals. She will stand in an area next to the laundry room and then, toss her butt in the laundry room wastebasket, so the laundry room stinks, too. Other than that, she will sit on steps between two apartments as, other smokers do. I once approached her a few of years ago and nicely asked if she might smoke outside the FRONT of the building, instead. Well, she had a fit and yelled “NO!!! RIGHT HERE IS OKAY!!!”. After speaking to the manager and her trying to approach this person or others, there was no luck, either. After contacting the management company, there has been no resolve, seemingly only concerned with “renting to anyone” who qualifies, monetarily.

    I too, like others, am asthmatic and have a pet and would like us both to be able to enjoy fresh air, wanting my bedroom window cracked while sleeping and do not anymore. I would like to locate all the areas in which it is seeping in from because even with windows closed, it filters in. I wake to smelling this stench throughout and affects my breathing. There are others here who don’t like it either and have seen more of a turnover in recent years probably due to this.

    Unfortunately, smokers will never understand this and to ones who suggest “just moving” – it is not always simple to do so, but would if able to locate a non-smoking building with other considerations in place. Like others, I hope to see laws change and am ready to support anything that attempts this. It’s aggravating to pay rent only to have our lives unhealthily and uncomfortably affected or diminished (as too, with unrelenting noise) by being inflicted upon by the gross inconsideration and problems of others.

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  208. October 31, 2011 at 9:29 am, Non-smoker said:

    To the smokers on here trying to assert their “rights” — I would have no problem whatsoever with your smoking in your home if the smoke and/or smell didn’t come into my home. I get that you feel persecuted for your love of smoking, but that doesn’t matter.

    The best comparison is noise pollution. If you were in the apartment next to mine and I have a love of playing loud heavy-metal music that comes through your walls and disturbs your peace, you would fully expect me to turn it down — and you’d have the backing of management. I would have no argument to tell you to “just deal with it” or “just wear ear plugs” — and yet this is what you expect in return regarding your smoke coming into my apartment. I could rant all I wanted about my “rights” to enjoy my music, but it wouldn’t matter.

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  209. November 05, 2011 at 1:58 am, Non-Smoker said:

    I get cigarette smoke coming into my apartment from the hallways often… usually from this one woman.

    I scream at her from the top of my lungs to stop murdering everybody with her cancer sticks and to stop pigging out on oinkerettes. Then I snort like a pig. I say God-given food and drink is not enough, the glutton has to go and oink-out on oink oink rettes. I’ll rip out your v-lips.

    Dealing with bad neighbors, here’s what works: 1. Yelling as loud as you can, and you better have a deep, loud voice. I’m a woman with a military deep voice. 2. Ok, and here it is combine yelling with making fun of them. This one works especially well with 20-somethings.

    Here’s what doesn’t work: 1. Telling them nicely (with most people, this make the problem worse). 2. Threatening them.

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  212. February 04, 2012 at 7:41 pm, Anonymous said:

    Look. Smokers aren’t trying to spin or twist things to make it about politics and rights. They don’t have to. People do want to take their rights . I’m not a smoker myself but I think people are being ridiculous. I understand in business or restaurant but once you wan to go into someone’s home and tell people they are not allowed to do something that is legal is crossing a HUGE line. That is the definition of un-American. Close your windows, buy weather stripping if its that big of a deal. To all the people that want to take that right from my fellow Americans I am ashamed and embarrassed that I have spent the last 8 years risking my life in a foreign fighting for freedom when the true enemy of freedom is state side. And parents instead of being worried about your neighborhood getting your kid sick worry about yourself. Do it, look in your pantry and then come to terms you’ve already got your kids sick. 2 out of 3 kids are obese. Seriously, worry about yourselves people not others. Seriously people don’t harrass each other like this in Iraq…..

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  213. March 23, 2012 at 11:26 am, Caroline said:

    What is the Québec Law on smoking in very low isolated walls and floors (can smell tenant’s smoke and some are CHAIN SMOKERS). Balconies are very close to each other by only a medium wood separation!

    Is it not an apartment building sames as a public place since we are on top and side of each other. The smoke, smell and conversation are easily taken in!!!!!!!!!

    P.S. I did try to see the QUÉBEC RULES AND LAW on smokers in apartment buildings without success.

    Thank you,
    Caroline

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  215. March 28, 2012 at 9:44 pm, Melinda said:

    I just started moving my stuff into an apartment that my boyfriend and I just rented. We didnt smell smoke until yesterday and some of our stuff is in there already and we paid for it. I’m on singular and claritian everyday, my allergies are really bad. I went there to clean two hours later I had to take a benedryl and I still felt like crap ad hoarse today. It’s not whining , why should I be miserbal because people are inconsiderate of others. It seems to be a trend in this world that people don’t think of others and it’s not right. So now I have to feel sick everyday go to work with young children 9 hours a day, do housework college work and put up with this shit. Ok thats fair.

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  216. May 16, 2012 at 11:31 pm, Rod said:

    Smoke is not a right..I am an x-smoker for 43 yrs and quitting was the BEST thing I ever had done..Now my 13 yr son and I have to deal with this second hand smoking..When I ever smoked I never did it around my children..I and my son has tried to work with managers office about secondhand smoke But these Damn smokers lie and oh ya we will smoke else where and still smoke near our windows and doors and it comes through the walls from their apartment..As I have copd and asthma and my son got a respatory infection from all this second hand smoke..We have been fighting to ban all smoking here for over a year..

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  217. May 30, 2012 at 8:50 pm, Mags said:

    I approached my downstairs neighbor this afternoon to let her know smoke was coming into my apartment. She said she was boiling water for tea???????
    She would not admit that the smoke was coming from her apartment. I finally said, do you have a smoker in your apt. Her reply “she goes outside to smoke”. BS
    If it does not stop, I will have to get management involved.

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  218. October 29, 2012 at 8:04 am, Becky said:

    I think this is a huge problem! I am a new mother to a beautiful baby girl. Just recently my boyfriend and I decided to better our living situation from a basement apartment to a 2 bedroom high rise so our daughter could have her own room and better quality of life. However, while we were painting and preparing to move in, we noticed cigarette smoke billowing in from under our kitchen sink. I am VERY upset about this, as I have asthma and this puts my daughter at risk for SIDS. We will be doing everything in our power to stop the smoke from coming into our apartment. I did some research on the matter and apparently no one has the right to clean air. How sad is that?! So people have to right to smoke and pollute their lungs as well as the lungs of others and everyone else just has to deal with it?! RIDICULOUS! So much for smoke free Ontario. You cant smoke in a bus stop or outside a mall, but you can smoke in an enclosed building FULL of children and elderly people. The government needs to get their heads on straight.

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  219. October 31, 2012 at 10:23 am, CSS said:

    Why are most of the people who think this article is ridiculous or a liberal conspiracy anonymous? Also should we start letting people do what they want while intoxicated because it is there right to drive or operate machinery and who cares if it affects others. How is this a liberal agenda, conservative people are just as committed to smoke free environments as liberals.

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  220. December 16, 2012 at 4:32 pm, guest29 said:

    I have just moved in my apartment the 5th of October 2012 and when I was meeting with the manager of the apartments..I was very precise in the fact of what second hand smoke does to me and my health issues and that I needed a place to live that doesn’t create an health issue. So…I was moved in an apartment on the 3rd floor with 2) 18-19 yr old girls that smoke all the time and all their friends. The manage had no idea they smoked. And in the lease there is no stipulation that they can not smoke there. But there is a clause..about when a tenant/neighbor invades your living space. No respect to ventilate or put a fan in the window to suck it out. No.. it comes up into my place. waking me up in the middle of the night …for the smoke is so bad,,it smells like an ashtray is at my nose. It burns..and gave me a headache and starts me to wheesh from it. by morning I feel like I have smoked a pack of cigarettes. :( I use to smoke for 31 years and quite for I grew a sensitivity (allergic reaction) to it. I have been with the girls below more times then I can tell you..trying to be nice ..and suggesting to vent for my place smells like I smoke. I have talked with the managers office many times..and I have spent alot of time trying to seal up some of the places that I could do. it comes up along the baseboards..were the carpet tacks are. :( I will not settle for getting cancer or any other health issues because of people that have no consideration of others. It is called respect and consideration. You can’t use that the parents may not of taught them respect..for they are old enough to figure that out themselves. And if not..then they need to go move back home. I know two wrongs don’t make a right…but sometimes..maybe they need to experience sometime that absolutely is not healthy or harms them in some way. Maybe then they will know what it is like to wear the other persons shoes..

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  221. December 16, 2012 at 4:34 pm, guest29 said:

    correction.. They live below me on the second floor.

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  222. December 25, 2012 at 2:29 pm, anon said:

    To all those out there who suffer from neighbours smoke coming through floor boards.. here is my solution (learnt from first hand experience on a number of occasions).

    1. Do not mention it to your neighbours.

    1. Fill all cracks and gaps with caulk.

    2. Lay acoustic underlay on floor, usually 2mm thick (cover area slightly larger than floor area).

    3. lay wood fibre underlay over acoustic underlay, usually 5mm thick (push fit right up against skirting, although, it is thought that they will expand and contract slightly, but I didn’t find this to be a problem).

    4. lay laminate flooring over wood fibre underlay, fix edging all around.

    On the whole this will work fairly well, as it’s the layering that traps the smoke and the smell of the smoke (it works just like the clothing layers you would wear when out in the wilds, as it traps the air). This works well..just as long as your neighbours are not overtly malicious (I have experienced neighbours who removed cornices of their flat below.. just to increase the level of smoke coming into my home, in such a case it is impossible to escape the smoke. unless you leave, or you catch them in the act).

    It’s probably stating the obvious, but check this option out with landlords for permission and safety etc.

    Good luck!

    Anon

    PS I take no responsibility of anyones interpretation of this information, I just hope that it’s used in a common sense way.

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  223. December 25, 2012 at 2:33 pm, anon said:

    also…

    You may have to remove internal doors to planes a small amount of bottom, a small inconvenience by comparison.

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  224. December 27, 2012 at 5:57 pm, Jeff S. said:

    I moved into a non- smoking building with a roomate who smokes, before I moved in he stated he didn’t smoke inside but on the balcony. For the past 2 months of the three that I’ve been here, he has been lighting up inside every few minutes, I have a hard time breathing, I get frequent bleeding nose, sore throat, headaches, burning eyes and I don’t get much sleep. I feel sick all of the time with no energy. How do I get him to stop smoking inside?! He refuses to work with me to resolve this issue- he says I am just making things up to spite him. He doesn’t believe that the second hand smoke is really affecting me as I say it is- even though I have physical evidence. I have no problems with smokers but people as ignorant as this should have a mask hooked up to them, pumped full of second hand smoke for 10 minutes, tree times a week and see how it feels. You claim you have the right?, that’s claiming you have the right to poison everyone around you, cutting their life shorter- who do you think you are? might as well call you hitler with your toxic gases. I say death to those who neglect the rights of others to healthy living.

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  225. December 28, 2012 at 7:06 am, allergy one said:

    No one is trying to bash smokers, but second hand smoke is a problem
    New neighbors smoke in the bath room below my apartment
    I wake up to blood shot eyes and sinus – allergies troubles from the smoke
    We nonsmokers wish you would at least step outside on the balcony
    it is a health problem

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  226. December 28, 2012 at 7:12 am, smoking is a problem said:

    Second hand smoke is a respiratory irritant as the chemicals in the lingering smoke can irritate the delicate linings and membranes of the nose, lungs and windpipe. If the substance is allowed to stand in the air over any length of time, illnesses, such as respiratory tract infections or pneumonia can develop

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  227. December 28, 2012 at 12:05 pm, bryon said:

    I definitely agree that it is not fair for people who want to breathe healthy air have the right to be able to do so and it is very important for smokers to understand this facr and respect it!

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  228. January 09, 2013 at 11:12 pm, Carri said:

    I moved into a non smoking building, but they allow them to smoke in their apartments. Six months after I moved in, someone moved in below me that chain smokes like crazy. I’ve had resistant sinus infections from it, asthma attacks, bloody noses, headaches, burning eyes. Nothing I have done has stopped the smoke from getting in here. They finally said they are banning it from the building as of June 1st, but this person under me, I doubt they will comply with the ban. But June 1st gives me legal right to sue.

    Not everyone can afford to move. I can’t. And I have a destroyed immune system as it is with a million health issues from it and this smoke is making me a thousand times worse. Smokers do not understand that there are those of us who cannot physically handle any kind of second hand smoke, it makes us very sick. And you do NOT have a right to make another person sick. You do NOT have a right to do anything that gets into someone else’s body or home. I don’t care what you do to yourself, just do NOT do it to me or my home.

    Why do we, the non smokers, have to be forced to be made sick, and be the ones trying desperately to stop the disgusting toxic smoke from coming into our homes. Why can’t smokers be the ones who have to stop it from leaving theirs? Open your windows, smokers. Why do we have to be forced to open ours in the dead of winter to try to escape your smoke?

    Smoking should banned everywhere. But particularly, apartment buildings. If you live around others, you don’t belong making them sick.

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  229. January 14, 2013 at 6:24 pm, Non Smoker said:

    I grew up with parents who smoked constantly. All my relatives smoked. Everywhere you went there was smoking – restaurants, supermarkets, stores, hospitals, movies, offices, etc. When I started working, everywhere was smoking. I hated breathing it in and never got used to the horrible stench. I remember in the 1990’s when a memo came around at work saying that smoking will no longer be allowed indoors. I was thrilled by this. They all had to go outside! They should of been going outside all along. It took many more years before it was banned from restaurants, stores, supermarkets, airplanes, trains, office buildings, etc. It is such a pleasure not having to breathe that poison into my lungs anymore wherever I go.

    Smoking should not be allowed in apartment buildings for any reason. I don’t care if people say they can do what they want inside their homes. They are not inside a private house. Their homes are ATTACHED to other apartments. They do NOT have the right to pollute the air of the people living around them for any reason. Why can’t they go inside their cars and roll up the windows and breathe that crap into their own lungs? They do not have the right to force anyone to suffer from that garbage. Thankfully, some apartment buildings are FINALLY becoming smoke free after all this time. Hopefully ALL of them will be free of smoke in the near future.

    Maybe they should raise the price of cancer sticks to $25 a pack. Maybe that will teach them a lesson. The only place a smoker should have the right to smoke is inside their car [with rolled up windows] and inside a priviate house.

    Too bad someone can’t invent a plastic bubble that they can wear on their heads that keep all that smoke inside and forces them to inhale it into their lungs at a even quicker rate.

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  230. February 04, 2013 at 3:25 am, tickyul said:

    I used to drive the city bus is Seattle Washington.

    The filthy pigs…..erm, I mean smokers would see the bus coming and take a HUGE drag of their cigarettes……hold it in…….then get onto the bus and slowly exhale all of their FILTH.

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  231. February 25, 2013 at 8:24 pm, melanie said:

    Hi, I moved in to an apartment. I had to find a roommate quick so I went through a CHURCH NETWORK. She told me she smoked but wouldn’t smoke in the house. She did anyways and at first I tried to not let it bother me but she smoked 1-2 packs a day in the house and it got overwhelming. I’m an asthmatic with allergies and it caused me to have to start using my inhalers on a regular basis. I finally got her after a few months of this to switch to electric MOSTLY in the house but she still insists on smoking in the house whenever she feels like it and it vents straight into my room. SHe has dammaged her room to the point we will probably loose all our deposit. We both signed seperate contracts for the same space. Is there anything I can do legally to her to gain some of this back or make her have to stop smoking in the space for the next 9 months we have left on contrat together?

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  232. April 01, 2013 at 3:21 am, Non-Smoking neighbor said:

    I left a response in Oct. 2011, regarding having lived one place for years, prior to more smokers arriving. To update, in 2012 the Management Company put up signs restricting smoking in common areas, to outside the front and rear of the building, besides within a smoker’s own unit. At first I thought I would be able to have “fresher air” coming in through windows, but still noticed a stench within the building, since they must smoke out their windows. Then, I began noticing, with more smoking within apartments, it is causing there to be more of that odor within mine!

    I’ve not yet assessed entirely where I could block it from entering. Since I turned off my wall heater pilot, I covered up the entire heater by attaching a large towel (yeah, kind of ridiculous) and covered the fan in the bathroom, which I don’t use, and was aware of it being an entry spot. When there is seemingly “good outside air”, I can have all windows open which seems helpful, but after closing windows before bed, except having one safely cracked in the bedroom, I will smell stale smoke odor develop during the night and after getting up. I am aware I am feeling more aggravated and spending my time focusing on this.

    The closest offender is TWO doors away from me, but she may smoke out of a window too. I noticed last summer, when I would reenter my apartment when the air conditioner was on, that it smelled stale inside, which in the past was not the case.

    Like others, I suffer from Asthma, am allergic to smoke and not breathing through my nose well. Of course, if moving to a non-smoking building was even feasible, I would do so! Some need to realize not all of us can just “up and move”. I feel for anyone suffering too and hopefully, there will be some resolve. If only possible, it would be best to restrict smokers to “smoker buildings” and non-smokers to theirs, but not with a smoker’s building right next door, either. It is so unfair and ridiculous to have to endure this and it has got to stop.

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  233. September 03, 2013 at 4:30 pm, Guest said:

    Children have an absolute right to smoke free air (so do adults, but let’s concentrate on children for starters). If there are children in the building, it is simply not acceptable that anybody smoke in the building at any time. There is never a “need” to smoke. Also, it would not be acceptable to not allow children to move into the building (or visit) as this is considered discrimination. Thus, every multiple dwelling is resumed to have children. Even senior citizen housing has visiting grandchildren.

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  234. January 12, 2014 at 8:20 am, Guest said:

    I agree about cigarette smoke. My neighbor is a wood burner. My yard fills with smoke that seeps into the house even though windows and doors are sealed. I want to breathe clean air like most everyone else according to comments here. These chronic problems of polluting your neighbor’s space, property, and lungs needs to be addressed. Wood smoke, which contains carcinogens and chemicals is second hand smoke on a wide scale. Even a fire official called it “natural.” It is a pollutant. Smokers and burners rights should not supersede others’ rights to clean (as clean as possible) air. Check out burning issues.org for more info and wood smoke composition.

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  235. February 18, 2014 at 12:33 pm, Tiffany said:

    Cigarette smoke, 2nd hand, can kill an Asthmatic on spot. For Asthmatics, breathing in cigarette smoke is not a slow death. Break down happens fast and ER visits are immediate. People with autonomic or pulmonary or autoimmune problems cannot be around 2nd hand cigarette smoke as it is actually lethal to them in the realest of ways. So, what about sick people’s right to get healthy and live? What about people who actually want to live healthy and well, instead of haggard, ugly, sick, and deteriorating at a fast rate? A smoker has a right to his slow suicide, though spiritual consequences exist whether the smoker realizes this or not, but everyone in the midst of this smoker shouldnot be forced into unwanted health problems and death. I’ve got Asthma bad. I’ve had it all my life. My neighbor upstairs smokes cigarettes and the smoke leaks into my apartment. This leakage puts me into full-blown Asthma attacks and I have to sleep out in the freezing hallway just to breathe. He is a heartless person. He has no remorse, or compassion. The management has done nothing to remedy the issue. I am going to work with a lawyer to break my lease. I’ll have to move out while it’s still the dead of winter. My lungs are so much worse now and my medical expenses are through the roof. What about my right to save money instead of spend it on medical bills tjat didn’t have to occur had my air simply been breathable? What about my right to live where I want? Not when the smoker leaves me with no other choice but to flea my home for my own health and safety. What about my right to feel alright? I can’t feel alright when I can’t breathe. What about my right to enjoy life? I can’t enjoy life when I can’t breathe, can’t sleep at night, have to sleep in a cold hallway, and when I wake up, have to call management for the 20th time about this unresolved issue and lawyers to deal with a foolish landlord. If a person wants to exercise their right to smoke and destroy themselves, they must do it where no one else can be affected by their choice. This is why you can drink yourself silly, but the law says if you’re silly drunk, you can’t drive. Why? Because while you’re allowed to kill yourself, you aren’t allowed to kill someone else. You can’t take someone else’s right to live and live healthy without consequences, whether earthly or otherwise.

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